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you are imagination

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you are the power to change to create

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make the grow

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our spirit that will never die

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you will rise again Scientology

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know yourself

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no life just really horrible physically

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and and verbally abusive I've seen tier

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members get into fights I saw them beat

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up an old man because he refused to do

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an all-nighter one night which happens a

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lot Sierra members stay up all night and

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do these crazy things because they have

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to meet their deadlines and they have to

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do it because if their statistics are

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down from the previous week then it's

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all over then they go get sent to ethics

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and they're punished for it this is

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I'm Ryan Sprague in this is somewhere in

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the skies Scientology

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one of the most successful new American

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faiths to have emerged in the past

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century at its core it is a belief that

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each human has a reactive mind that

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responds to life's traumas clouding the

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analytic mind and keeping us from

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experiencing reality members of the

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religion submit to a process called

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auditing to find the sources of this

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trauma reliving those experiences in an

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attempt to neutralize them and reassert

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the primacy of the analytic mind working

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toward a spiritual state called clear as

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you climb the bridge to spiritual

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freedom you pledge allegiance to the

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church above all else working towards

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helping mankind and awakening the world

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but somewhere along the way it became

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very clear that this church was hiding

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very dark and disturbing stories behind

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the walls of its international churches

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and as time progressed more and more

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members began to speak out about its

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wrongdoings and practices and the

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results have been absolutely terrifying

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today we hear from ex member Joey cheat

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born into the religion by his devout

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Joey became one of Scientology's most

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prominent members and then it all came

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crashing down when he decided to leave

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the church and it wasn't easy today Joey

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runs us through how it all began for him

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he also breaks down the religion for us

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it's strange creation story what he

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endured in and outside of the church and

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just exactly why he left and is urging

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others to do the same this is a two-part

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series covering one man's struggle with

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faith sexuality allegiance and finally

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starting a new life here is part one of

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breaking the billion-year contract

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of Scientology with Joey shaped Joey

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thank you so much for joining me today

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on somewhere in the skies thank you so

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much for having me

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this is like been a really long time in

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the making man I feel like it's been

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almost a year since the last time I saw

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you that we were talking about this yeah

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yeah it has literally been almost a year

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and it was it was interesting so for

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those who don't know I was working in a

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so if anyone's in the Hollywood /

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Fairfax area go check them out that's my

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shameless plug for my employment but you

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you were one of our regulars and I

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always saw you in the corner kind of

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scribbling in a notebook writing and I'm

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like oh he's one of those writers he's

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one of those guys who comes in does his

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doing their stuff there man and so so

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typical for LA it is it is it is in New

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Scientologists which we will get to in

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LA whether you know it or not but I'm

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getting ahead of myself here so I talked

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to one of my fellow employees and they'd

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so I was really excited to talk to you a

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little nervous I'm not gonna lie but

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after actually meeting you I was like

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he's he's just a normal guy who was a

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part of this thing so thank you again

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for doing this and for ostensibly

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don't know about things that have

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happened in the church and whatnot so

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to ask you man what is your your origin

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story how did you get involved with

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Scientology there's a big misconception

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out there of oh these people are so

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stupid if they're recruited into this

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religion but it was a lot different for

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you so how'd this all start well I was

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raised with I didn't really have a

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choice in the matter

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they they did which was stupid so I I

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ended up suffering for their mistakes

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which most kids do especially when it

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comes to religions or cults absolutely I

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Catholic and I also had no choice in the

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matter and right the the older you get

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that's when you sort of you know it's

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either sink or swim do I keep going or

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pressure when you're a young kid growing

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questions for this episode and a lot of

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people are like how could you how could

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you join this this religion like after

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everything we've learned how could

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someone join and I I answered that for

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you on your behalf saying he was born

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into it so a lot of people don't ya have

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that choice so and I didn't have that

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a lot of people don't realize about

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Scientology is that every facet of your

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family of Scientologists and from a

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famous Scientology family who donated a

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lot of money everything is already

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decided for you and you don't really

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have a choice whether it has to do with

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your finances your personal life your

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work everything surrounds the Church of

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Scientology and when you grow up in a in

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a in a in a sort of environment like

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that you get brainwashed and that's

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exactly what happens to me and you

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become so brainwashed into thinking like

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they do and talking like they do

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Scientologists have their own language

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we have abbreviations for everything

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and uneducated man and

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words and put weird twists on them to

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I will be talking in my Scientology

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word and he'll look at me and be like

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I'm sorry wait what did you just say

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because it because it's not real English

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waking up and realizing that Scientology

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was complete and utter I had to

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relearn the language and like actually

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that's how that's how how how I guess

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through I guess the right word is

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brainwash you just get so indoctrinated

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into the thing you'd have to literally

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wake up and pull yourself out of it it's

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crazy yeah so I mean would you would you

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consider that then like a deep

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programming we hear about this a lot

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when people are brainwashed in in what

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is considered cults you how long did it

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like when was that aha moment or when

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like there wasn't really an exact moment

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it takes years of just I'm just slowly

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coming out of it and then slowly

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realizing it and then eventually you get

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almost like climbing over a fence except

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just very very slowly it takes a while

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you got to climb up one by one and then

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you get to the top and then you slowly

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come down the other side

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but eventually I made it there thank God

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exactly I'm so happy that we're having

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anyone couldn't really know what

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the glory of the internet the glory of

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television but for anyone who might not

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be too familiar Joey I'm going to sort

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of ask you could you give us kind of the

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rundown of what Scientology is you

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mentioned Hubbard's so who started it in

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religion maybe

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to do in like no in elevator pitch but

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l ron Hubbard who was a science fiction

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the modern science of mental health and

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that term loosely he discovered that all

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reactive mind so there's two parts of

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which is the normal one and again it

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solves problems and and it does good

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things for you and then there's the

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other side of your mind which is called

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the reactive mind that stores all of

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your bad memories pain painful memories

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times that you were unconscious

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sicknesses and stuff like that and that

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was the thing that was causing all of

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your diseases so basically Dianetics is

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when the mind heals the body so because

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you have a cold or because you have bad

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eyesight or because you have cancer or

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whatever the ailment could be you use

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the technology of Dianetics to cure the

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problem from your mind

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which will then in turn heal the body so

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he's so he started this and it was kind

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of a fad in the 1950s and then he

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realized a couple of years after he

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wrote Dianetics he was like well you

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know the best way to go about this is to

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start a religion he would get tax-exempt

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status and people like the medical field

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and like the American Psychiatric

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Association that were coming after him

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saying you guys are ridiculous Dianetics

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doesn't actually work

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so he was like well I'm just gonna start

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a religion and say that it's you know a

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church so they can't come after me for

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medical malpractice or medical fraud so

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that's when he started Scientology so he

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continued with his Scientology writings

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and he's written thousands upon

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thousands upon thousands of pages and

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done thousands of hours of lectures on

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the subject of dealing with Scientology

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which has to do not with the mind like

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Dianetics did but Scientology has to do

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with

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soul or the spirit so he created this

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whole series of practices or things that

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you do Scientology really isn't a belief

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system it's something that you do it's a

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it's an applied religious philosophy so

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Scientologists do things like they go

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study courses where they learn about

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what Hubbard wrote what he says are like

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the factors for life or improving your

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relationships and getting along with

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others and then they do this thing

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called auditing auditing is that is the

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Scientology term for for basically for

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therapy and Hubbard wrote these very

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exact and very detailed auditing he

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calls them processes or a process so

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there's these auditing processes that

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you do and the purpose of it they say is

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to help obviously get get rid of your

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reactive mind and get rid of all of

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these negative emotions and negative

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things so that you can live a happier

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and better life and when you put it like

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that it doesn't sound so bad necessarily

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but in reality it's much much more

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insidious than it then it appears on the

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surface so that's the basic that's the

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basic gist of it in a nutshell right

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yeah and you know that as you're saying

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that I I'm thinking to myself that's

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actually not too bad of an idea I mean

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it's not it's not and they want and they

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always say like well we want to we want

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to help people we want to help people

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you know do better in life and their

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whole purpose is to save the planet or

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save the humans on this planet because

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if once they get enough Scientologist

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into Scientology and up the Scientology

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levels eventually they say that there

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would be no more wars no more

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criminality

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no more insanity everything will be nice

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and shiny and happy and wonderful and

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and then people who oppose them they say

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well these are the purposes of

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Scientology how could you argue with

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that do not want a world without without

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criminality and without war so it's it's

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it's a it's it's a pretty sick system

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they have no right and again and we'll

363
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get deeper into like the whole process

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and kind of the almost hijacking of

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Hubbard's original intent for all this

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but this is really interesting when I

367
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first moved to New York Joey

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I am I flier on the streets of Times

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Square for like two and a half years so

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I literally was out there eight hours a

371
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day handing out flyers to Broadway shows

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comedy clubs restaurant sure whatever

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they wanted me to do I was out there I

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love the job I honestly did it was like

375
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the best paying job I ever had because

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what idiot would stand outside fifty

377
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hours a week and eat out flyers but what

378
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was really interesting is I met a guy

379
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while I was out there and we actually

380
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became like pretty close like really

381
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good friends and we we talked a lot

382
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about our family together and like our

383
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relationship problems or what have you

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and it was cool to like go to work and

385
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have someone that camaraderie like he

386
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was doing his thing I was doing mine

387
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handing out flyers and he was handing

388
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out something else and it actually took

389
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me a while to realize he was a

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horologist and he was hitting these

391
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flyers to see a free movie at the

392
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Manhattan Church of Scientology and what

393
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was really interesting is he and I were

394
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close and I I kind of like watch the

395
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people that he would approach and I

396
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noticed trends in like the demographics

397
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of the people that he would stop and get

398
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to go watch this free movie and at that

399
00:16:58,870 --> 00:16:56,420
time I didn't really know what

400
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Scientology was I didn't know how the

401
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whole intricate system to everything I'm

402
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like oh that's you know whatever you

403
00:17:08,140 --> 00:17:04,100
know he's just trying to get people to

404
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go to his church cool yeah so but yeah I

405
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noticed these patterns of like the the

406
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people that he would get to do it and it

407
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it always sort of seemed to be the same

408
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so I wanted to ask you do you know for

409
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like these type of people the recruiters

410
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on the streets is there like a protocol

411
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for who they try to recruit is there

412
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like yeah oh yeah grand way to get

413
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certain people into this religion yeah

414
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well first of all the the job title of

415
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those people that stand out on the

416
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streets they do that here there's that

417
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big Scientology blue building boomlet

418
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Boulevard yeah the big blue they have a

419
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ton of people out there that are handing

420
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out flyers and they're trying to get you

421
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to take their stupid personality test or

422
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come in and see the movie those guys

423
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their job title is

424
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called a body router they literally are

425
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instructed to take people's bodies and

426
00:18:03,610 --> 00:18:00,710
bring them in because the statistic and

427
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Scientology when the new person comes in

428
00:18:07,180 --> 00:18:05,060
the door to take a course or to get

429
00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:07,190
auditing it's called bodies in the shop

430
00:18:13,630 --> 00:18:10,370
so the body so that so the body routers

431
00:18:15,730 --> 00:18:13,640
that's their entire job and they

432
00:18:19,540 --> 00:18:15,740
definitely go for a very specific type

433
00:18:21,820 --> 00:18:19,550
of person and in Scientology Hubbard

434
00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:21,830
once said that Scientology's purpose is

435
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to make the able more able so they don't

436
00:18:29,890 --> 00:18:28,490
want someone who isn't able basically

437
00:18:31,180 --> 00:18:29,900
what that means is that they want

438
00:18:32,980 --> 00:18:31,190
someone who looks like they have money

439
00:18:34,810 --> 00:18:32,990
they want someone that looks like they

440
00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:34,820
might be affluent someone that looks

441
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like they've got their together

442
00:18:39,700 --> 00:18:38,150
they don't want to deal with people who

443
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are mentally ill they don't want to deal

444
00:18:45,010 --> 00:18:42,130
with people who look like they're poor

445
00:18:46,330 --> 00:18:45,020
so that is sort of the thing that

446
00:18:49,570 --> 00:18:46,340
they're looking for they're looking for

447
00:18:52,690 --> 00:18:49,580
that for able-bodied people that can

448
00:18:54,070 --> 00:18:52,700
come in and I think that that the reason

449
00:18:56,110 --> 00:18:54,080
for that is because they don't want to

450
00:18:57,490 --> 00:18:56,120
have any problems with you know someone

451
00:19:00,100 --> 00:18:57,500
coming in and having a psychotic break

452
00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:00,110
which has happened or people who are

453
00:19:04,120 --> 00:19:02,450
sick or dying or someone who doesn't

454
00:19:05,830 --> 00:19:04,130
have money there's no purpose for them

455
00:19:08,380 --> 00:19:05,840
to do Scientology because if they can't

456
00:19:10,420 --> 00:19:08,390
pay for the courses they don't want them

457
00:19:14,290 --> 00:19:10,430
right at all and we'll get to that the

458
00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:14,300
paying part for sure yeah mentioning

459
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:17,090
mental illness didn't something just

460
00:19:22,510 --> 00:19:20,930
happen like this yeah something happened

461
00:19:25,330 --> 00:19:22,520
at the at the at the Church of

462
00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:25,340
Scientology down in Englewood which

463
00:19:31,570 --> 00:19:29,690
which incidentally my dad paid for and

464
00:19:34,990 --> 00:19:31,580
we could talk about that later sure I I

465
00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:35,000
guess some guy from from from from the

466
00:19:38,830 --> 00:19:36,410
rumors that I've been hearing from some

467
00:19:41,260 --> 00:19:38,840
of my other ex I ontology friends I

468
00:19:42,820 --> 00:19:41,270
guess this person was a parishioner he

469
00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:42,830
was actually taking courses at the

470
00:19:46,120 --> 00:19:44,810
Scientology Church in Englewood ok he

471
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pulled up in his he pulled up in his

472
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Bentley wielded a sword of some kind and

473
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then I don't know how it happened but

474
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like an officer got shot in the arm or

475
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shot in the hand or something and they

476
00:19:59,440 --> 00:19:58,100
ended up killing I think they shot and

477
00:20:01,150 --> 00:19:59,450
killed the guy with the sword right

478
00:20:02,710 --> 00:20:01,160
that's right yeah

479
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:02,720
we're sort of waiting to hear what

480
00:20:05,950 --> 00:20:05,450
happens but a couple of months ago there

481
00:20:08,019 --> 00:20:05,960
was a staff

482
00:20:12,070 --> 00:20:08,029
being at a Church of Scientology down in

483
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:12,080
Australia and the church was quick - was

484
00:20:16,659 --> 00:20:14,450
was quick to respond to that and say

485
00:20:20,169 --> 00:20:16,669
that it was a non Scientology person

486
00:20:21,940 --> 00:20:20,179
that was crazy that they sort of tried

487
00:20:23,889 --> 00:20:21,950
to pin it on Leah Remini in her show

488
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:23,899
they were basically saying that Leah

489
00:20:28,330 --> 00:20:25,850
that Leah Remini show was spreading all

490
00:20:29,830 --> 00:20:28,340
of this hate and religious bigotry so

491
00:20:33,310 --> 00:20:29,840
that caused the person to come in and

492
00:20:35,139 --> 00:20:33,320
stab a non Scientologist to come in and

493
00:20:36,580 --> 00:20:35,149
stab a Scientology member okay so the

494
00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:36,590
church has been Church has been very

495
00:20:39,789 --> 00:20:38,210
silent about the thing that happened in

496
00:20:41,350 --> 00:20:39,799
Inglewood just a few days ago so I'm

497
00:20:43,810 --> 00:20:41,360
pretty sure that it was one of their own

498
00:20:45,580 --> 00:20:43,820
that had the sword that sort unthinking

499
00:20:47,740 --> 00:20:45,590
- especially the whole sword thing I

500
00:20:51,399 --> 00:20:47,750
mean isn't there some sort of connection

501
00:20:53,710 --> 00:20:51,409
to like to Hubbard and like swords and

502
00:20:56,470 --> 00:20:53,720
everything Excalibur something like that

503
00:20:58,090 --> 00:20:56,480
yeah well the Excalibur I think was that

504
00:20:59,560 --> 00:20:58,100
was the name of her story that he wrote

505
00:21:02,500 --> 00:20:59,570
a very very long time ago I don't know

506
00:21:04,180 --> 00:21:02,510
what the sword represents okay I mean I

507
00:21:06,940 --> 00:21:04,190
might be getting a bit - conspiracy

508
00:21:08,889 --> 00:21:06,950
theory maybe but also I mean like the

509
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:08,899
Sea Org the sea organization members

510
00:21:12,490 --> 00:21:10,880
those are the good those are the guys

511
00:21:14,289 --> 00:21:12,500
that sign the billion-year contracts and

512
00:21:17,139 --> 00:21:14,299
they wear the naval style uniforms the

513
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:17,149
sword is a very you know powerful symbol

514
00:21:22,210 --> 00:21:19,970
you know military wise and I think that

515
00:21:24,549 --> 00:21:22,220
for the you know when they get all

516
00:21:26,500 --> 00:21:24,559
dressed up in their sea organization

517
00:21:27,970 --> 00:21:26,510
uniforms some of them have little swords

518
00:21:30,460 --> 00:21:27,980
or flags or something I don't know maybe

519
00:21:33,279 --> 00:21:30,470
that something yeah who knows who knows

520
00:21:35,230 --> 00:21:33,289
we may never know Church seems very

521
00:21:38,860 --> 00:21:35,240
pretty good at keeping people quiet

522
00:21:40,450 --> 00:21:38,870
as well for now yeah yeah well that's

523
00:21:42,940 --> 00:21:40,460
really interesting because that that

524
00:21:45,220 --> 00:21:42,950
really did mystifies like the whole body

525
00:21:47,380 --> 00:21:45,230
recruitment thing that was interesting

526
00:21:50,230 --> 00:21:47,390
and with that guy of that I that I knew

527
00:21:53,139 --> 00:21:50,240
I noticed as time went on like he became

528
00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:53,149
more distant with me and stopped talking

529
00:21:56,919 --> 00:21:55,370
about his personal life and then there

530
00:21:58,120 --> 00:21:56,929
came one day where he literally told me

531
00:21:59,680 --> 00:21:58,130
I can't talk to you anymore

532
00:22:01,720 --> 00:21:59,690
he said that yeah I mean I was really

533
00:22:04,299 --> 00:22:01,730
hurt because like I can fight it a lot

534
00:22:06,340 --> 00:22:04,309
in this dude and yeah I respected his

535
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:06,350
beliefs he respected mine and then he

536
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:08,330
just disappeared I never saw him again

537
00:22:12,789 --> 00:22:10,970
haven't seen him since he probably got

538
00:22:14,019 --> 00:22:12,799
into ethics trouble and that happens a

539
00:22:15,909 --> 00:22:14,029
lot if you do something wrong in

540
00:22:17,649 --> 00:22:15,919
Scientology you get said to ethics and

541
00:22:19,810 --> 00:22:17,659
they basically they have to try to fix

542
00:22:22,780 --> 00:22:19,820
you or they have to try to correct

543
00:22:24,490 --> 00:22:22,790
for whatever it is that you did wrong so

544
00:22:26,260 --> 00:22:24,500
they probably pulled him back in because

545
00:22:28,090 --> 00:22:26,270
he did something or he or he said

546
00:22:30,220 --> 00:22:28,100
something or maybe he was having doubts

547
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:30,230
about Scientology or doubts about

548
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:32,570
staying in Scientology and they do not

549
00:22:35,770 --> 00:22:34,010
like that at all

550
00:22:37,450 --> 00:22:35,780
and what they have is they have this

551
00:22:40,300 --> 00:22:37,460
thing called a security check which is

552
00:22:43,660 --> 00:22:40,310
basically their nice way of putting a

553
00:22:46,060 --> 00:22:43,670
what it really is is a interrogation

554
00:22:47,740 --> 00:22:46,070
they put you in a little room and they

555
00:22:49,150 --> 00:22:47,750
hook you up to the e meter that's that

556
00:22:51,940 --> 00:22:49,160
little machine that they use is kind of

557
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:51,950
like a lie detector and they grill you

558
00:22:55,630 --> 00:22:53,810
for hours and hours and hours and ask

559
00:22:57,370 --> 00:22:55,640
you questions like what have you done do

560
00:22:59,530 --> 00:22:57,380
you have evil intentions against the

561
00:23:02,020 --> 00:22:59,540
Church of Scientology do you have evil

562
00:23:04,870 --> 00:23:02,030
intentions against David Miscavige have

563
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:04,880
you have you done something that you

564
00:23:08,620 --> 00:23:06,650
don't want to have fun found out about

565
00:23:11,050 --> 00:23:08,630
like for hours and hours and hours and

566
00:23:16,510 --> 00:23:11,060
they make you confess all of your crimes

567
00:23:19,660 --> 00:23:16,520
God says oh it's horrible I've had my

568
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:19,670
share of security checking thousands and

569
00:23:23,950 --> 00:23:22,610
thousands of hours over over a very long

570
00:23:25,090 --> 00:23:23,960
period of time of course you know

571
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:25,100
because I'm always getting in trouble

572
00:23:28,900 --> 00:23:27,410
for something I'm always saying I'm

573
00:23:30,790 --> 00:23:28,910
always saying the wrong thing I'm always

574
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:30,800
doing the wrong thing like Joey's got to

575
00:23:36,370 --> 00:23:32,810
go in for SEC checking okay well there's

576
00:23:37,960 --> 00:23:36,380
to be very common in the religion Joey I

577
00:23:39,820 --> 00:23:37,970
mean you hear all the time like it's a

578
00:23:42,460 --> 00:23:39,830
religion of Snickers you know

579
00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:42,470
everybody's out for themselves it's come

580
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:45,770
it's it's completely a snitching

581
00:23:51,220 --> 00:23:48,890
environment it's it's that's how they

582
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:51,230
keep control over people because you're

583
00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:53,210
not allowed to say anything negative

584
00:23:56,650 --> 00:23:55,220
about Scientology you're not allowed to

585
00:23:58,150 --> 00:23:56,660
say anything negative about other

586
00:24:01,390 --> 00:23:58,160
Scientologists I mean I'll tell you a

587
00:24:04,030 --> 00:24:01,400
quick story when I was a kid I did a lot

588
00:24:06,130 --> 00:24:04,040
of my Scientology training very early in

589
00:24:08,140 --> 00:24:06,140
life I started at the age of 13 which is

590
00:24:10,060 --> 00:24:08,150
very unusual it doesn't happen very

591
00:24:12,310 --> 00:24:10,070
often but of course my parents being the

592
00:24:14,260 --> 00:24:12,320
huge Scientologists that they were

593
00:24:17,230 --> 00:24:14,270
anyway and so when I started my training

594
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:17,240
I was at the Celebrity Center and there

595
00:24:22,180 --> 00:24:20,090
was this one executive woman that was

596
00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:22,190
working there and she was trying to

597
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:25,940
convince me to basically quit school and

598
00:24:30,340 --> 00:24:28,010
come and come do my training first at

599
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:30,350
Celebrity Centre full-time I said listen

600
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:31,850
I'm sorry but I have to go to school

601
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:34,010
during the day and then I'll I come to

602
00:24:37,060 --> 00:24:35,600
Liberty center you know in the late

603
00:24:39,550 --> 00:24:37,070
afternoon and I study into the evening

604
00:24:41,890 --> 00:24:39,560
and she said to me she was like Joey

605
00:24:43,570 --> 00:24:41,900
trying to convince me this is the this

606
00:24:45,670 --> 00:24:43,580
is the greatest thing that you can do

607
00:24:47,980 --> 00:24:45,680
school is for idiots and like you're

608
00:24:51,310 --> 00:24:47,990
sure you're not a regular person you're

609
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:51,320
a super human being and and I told her

610
00:24:54,310 --> 00:24:52,970
I'm like I'm not gonna stop going to

611
00:24:54,700 --> 00:24:54,320
school I actually enjoy going to my

612
00:24:56,620 --> 00:24:54,710
school

613
00:24:58,420 --> 00:24:56,630
so basically she said well you know what

614
00:25:00,310 --> 00:24:58,430
Joey you can just go yourself and

615
00:25:02,380 --> 00:25:00,320
go jump off the top of Celebrity Center

616
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:02,390
and they had a balcony up there she said

617
00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:03,890
go up to the sixth floor balcony and

618
00:25:08,710 --> 00:25:05,510
just jump off because you you may as

619
00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:08,720
well kill yourself Jesus so I was really

620
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:10,250
upset by that whole thing and then

621
00:25:13,900 --> 00:25:12,170
another person came to me a few days

622
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:13,910
later and they saw that I was upset and

623
00:25:17,740 --> 00:25:15,530
they were like what's the matter I said

624
00:25:20,620 --> 00:25:17,750
oh well this is this executive I said

625
00:25:23,050 --> 00:25:20,630
her name and she told me to go kill

626
00:25:25,150 --> 00:25:23,060
myself I'm really really upset they

627
00:25:28,060 --> 00:25:25,160
pulled me into a security check because

628
00:25:30,130 --> 00:25:28,070
I was being critical of her because she

629
00:25:32,770 --> 00:25:30,140
was because she was an executive at

630
00:25:34,330 --> 00:25:32,780
Celebrity Centre okay I'm not allowed to

631
00:25:35,500 --> 00:25:34,340
say anything bad to her even though what

632
00:25:37,210 --> 00:25:35,510
she said to me was a hundred percent

633
00:25:39,310 --> 00:25:37,220
wrong and a hunt but it was also a

634
00:25:41,290 --> 00:25:39,320
hundred percent true but because I was

635
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:41,300
saying a negative thing about a senior C

636
00:25:46,180 --> 00:25:44,090
organisation member they pulled me into

637
00:25:48,660 --> 00:25:46,190
an interrogation and said and asked me

638
00:25:52,750 --> 00:25:48,670
what did I do wrong what are my crimes

639
00:25:54,220 --> 00:25:52,760
Wow yeah so that's the that's the that's

640
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:54,230
the way that they control people

641
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:56,240
everybody everybody's niching on on

642
00:26:00,100 --> 00:25:58,010
everybody else and if you and you learn

643
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:00,110
I learned really quickly if you say

644
00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:01,850
anything negative about something or

645
00:26:05,890 --> 00:26:04,190
somebody else in Scientology then I knew

646
00:26:08,410 --> 00:26:05,900
that I myself would get in trouble so

647
00:26:10,690 --> 00:26:08,420
you learn to just basically shut up and

648
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:10,700
not say anything even though if

649
00:26:14,620 --> 00:26:12,110
something wrong happened or if you know

650
00:26:16,990 --> 00:26:14,630
that it's wrong it's all about control I

651
00:26:19,630 --> 00:26:17,000
I totally it's it becomes more clear

652
00:26:22,360 --> 00:26:19,640
like the more stories you hear but um

653
00:26:25,870 --> 00:26:22,370
okay so you were one of like the

654
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:25,880
youngest like you said what were they

655
00:26:33,670 --> 00:26:28,250
auditors is that correct really yeah

656
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:33,680
yeah so yes so people who deliver the

657
00:26:37,540 --> 00:26:35,690
Scientology auditing they call them

658
00:26:39,790 --> 00:26:37,550
auditors so I was trained to be a

659
00:26:42,220 --> 00:26:39,800
Scientology auditor so I was the one on

660
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:42,230
the opposite side of the meter so like I

661
00:26:46,990 --> 00:26:45,050
would be the one that would be giving

662
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:47,000
the people the Scientology auditing

663
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:47,850
process

664
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:50,700
essentially and and helping them go up

665
00:26:54,620 --> 00:26:52,289
and then eventually what I did was is

666
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:54,630
that when you get into the confidential

667
00:26:57,409 --> 00:26:56,250
levels of Scientology they call those

668
00:27:01,909 --> 00:26:57,419
the OT levels

669
00:27:03,740 --> 00:27:01,919
I was yeah yeah so so in the beginning I

670
00:27:05,150 --> 00:27:03,750
was trained to be an auditor at a very

671
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:05,160
young age I started like I said when I

672
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:07,890
was 13 and and this you said going up

673
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:09,929
now this is what I assume is the

674
00:27:14,659 --> 00:27:12,330
spiritual bridge is that what it is yeah

675
00:27:16,390 --> 00:27:14,669
yeah so it's this sort of Scientology

676
00:27:19,010 --> 00:27:16,400
it's called the bridge to total freedom

677
00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:19,020
yeah so everybody everybody starts at

678
00:27:23,060 --> 00:27:20,940
the bottom and then step by step you do

679
00:27:24,649 --> 00:27:23,070
these certain levels and you go starting

680
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:24,659
from the bottom the first thing that you

681
00:27:29,659 --> 00:27:27,360
do is the it's this thing called the

682
00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:29,669
purification rundown that's the thing

683
00:27:34,029 --> 00:27:31,559
where you sit in a sauna for five hours

684
00:27:36,649 --> 00:27:34,039
a day and take heavy heavy doses of

685
00:27:39,620 --> 00:27:36,659
vitamins and particularly a vitamin

686
00:27:41,060 --> 00:27:39,630
called niacin and Hubbard believed that

687
00:27:42,350 --> 00:27:41,070
like the first thing you have to do when

688
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:42,360
you step onto the bridge to total

689
00:27:46,669 --> 00:27:44,850
freedom is you have to flush all of the

690
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:46,679
drugs and the alcohol and the poisons

691
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:48,659
out of your body and he believed that a

692
00:27:55,330 --> 00:27:51,929
heavy diet of multivitamins and niacin

693
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,340
and sitting in a sauna you sweat out the

694
00:28:00,320 --> 00:27:58,080
toxins and the drugs that are stored in

695
00:28:02,060 --> 00:28:00,330
the fat cells of your body okay which

696
00:28:02,810 --> 00:28:02,070
has been scientifically proven to be

697
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:02,820
horseshit

698
00:28:08,779 --> 00:28:06,720
but Scientologists still do it yeah yeah

699
00:28:12,020 --> 00:28:08,789
I could actually see that working in

700
00:28:13,940 --> 00:28:12,030
some ways but well you know I did I did

701
00:28:15,409 --> 00:28:13,950
the purification rundown twice and the

702
00:28:17,630 --> 00:28:15,419
only thing that I can say about it is

703
00:28:19,850 --> 00:28:17,640
that I lost a bunch of weight okay you

704
00:28:21,470 --> 00:28:19,860
know from sitting in a sauna for you

705
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:21,480
know four five hours a day I felt a

706
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:23,970
little healthier but I wouldn't

707
00:28:27,380 --> 00:28:25,650
recommend taking that much nice and I

708
00:28:30,020 --> 00:28:27,390
mean literally 5,000 milligrams of

709
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:30,030
niacin per day right I mean I assume

710
00:28:34,549 --> 00:28:31,860
it's just can't be good for you

711
00:28:36,049 --> 00:28:34,559
no I think that would destroy somebody's

712
00:28:39,409 --> 00:28:36,059
liver if they had like a slight liver

713
00:28:42,350 --> 00:28:39,419
problem I would think yeah so anyway so

714
00:28:44,090 --> 00:28:42,360
yeah so you so I was the auditor I was

715
00:28:45,890 --> 00:28:44,100
the person that was taking people up the

716
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:45,900
bridge from like level two level two

717
00:28:51,649 --> 00:28:48,090
level two level and how many levels are

718
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:51,659
there like total so from the beginning

719
00:28:56,090 --> 00:28:54,120
of the bridge to the middle part which

720
00:28:57,830 --> 00:28:56,100
is where you reach a level called clear

721
00:29:00,320 --> 00:28:57,840
I'm sure people are very familiar with

722
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:00,330
the clear thing right going that's one

723
00:29:04,660 --> 00:29:01,530
two three four five

724
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:04,670
seven a like eight or nine levels to

725
00:29:09,650 --> 00:29:07,650
clear and then after clear then you get

726
00:29:13,100 --> 00:29:09,660
to the OT levels and right now it goes

727
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,110
ot one through ot eight on the bridge

728
00:29:16,970 --> 00:29:16,080
it does go all the way up to ot 15 but

729
00:29:18,740 --> 00:29:16,980
at the moment

730
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:18,750
ot eight is the highest you can go they

731
00:29:23,900 --> 00:29:21,570
haven't actually released ot nine and

732
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:23,910
above yet I think that they don't even

733
00:29:27,410 --> 00:29:25,530
exist and I think it's just a carrot

734
00:29:29,270 --> 00:29:27,420
that they're dangling in front of all

735
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:29,280
these other Scientologists to try to

736
00:29:33,890 --> 00:29:32,250
keep them on board I see yeah but who

737
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:33,900
knows who knows what Hubbard wrote in

738
00:29:40,430 --> 00:29:37,580
the late 80s before he died who knows

739
00:29:43,340 --> 00:29:40,440
yeah we probably won't some people think

740
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:43,350
they're the secrets lie underground but

741
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:47,730
we'll get to that too okay so you what

742
00:29:53,210 --> 00:29:49,770
level take you personally get to Joey

743
00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:53,220
and um yeah what was what was what was

744
00:29:58,070 --> 00:29:55,380
that like when you got to that level so

745
00:30:00,590 --> 00:29:58,080
I got to OT three and ot three is like

746
00:30:03,670 --> 00:30:00,600
the Big Kahuna in Scientology because on

747
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:03,680
ot three that's when you discover

748
00:30:09,950 --> 00:30:07,440
basically Scientology's creation story

749
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:09,960
the story about Xenu the galactic

750
00:30:13,550 --> 00:30:11,880
Overlord of the of the Galactic

751
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:13,560
Confederation and the horrible things

752
00:30:19,340 --> 00:30:17,490
that he did 75 million years ago yep we

753
00:30:21,290 --> 00:30:19,350
had to get there man this is a UFO

754
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:21,300
podcast that's the very thing it's like

755
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:23,610
so now so now we can talk about aliens

756
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:25,710
let's so so when you're doing your

757
00:30:30,380 --> 00:30:27,570
auditing at the beginning part of the

758
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:30,390
bridge to total freedom you don't know

759
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:31,410
anything about this

760
00:30:37,250 --> 00:30:34,410
you know what the OT levels are but

761
00:30:39,140 --> 00:30:37,260
they're so confidential they keep those

762
00:30:41,510 --> 00:30:39,150
materials it's like going into Fort Knox

763
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,520
it's like in a special building behind

764
00:30:47,030 --> 00:30:44,880
security lock doors the materials

765
00:30:49,100 --> 00:30:47,040
themselves are in these special packets

766
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:49,110
and they're kept in like these giant

767
00:30:54,770 --> 00:30:52,710
guns saves okay and they're plugged into

768
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:54,780
like an electronic I don't know what you

769
00:30:59,480 --> 00:30:56,010
call it but they're plugged into the

770
00:31:01,340 --> 00:30:59,490
safe and when I did the course they took

771
00:31:03,050 --> 00:31:01,350
it out of the safe they unplugged it and

772
00:31:04,940 --> 00:31:03,060
then you take it to your little table so

773
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:04,950
you can sit down and read it and there's

774
00:31:09,170 --> 00:31:07,290
a plug on the table and you have 30

775
00:31:11,540 --> 00:31:09,180
seconds to get it from the safe to the

776
00:31:12,980 --> 00:31:11,550
table otherwise the alarms go off and

777
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:12,990
the doors shut and security comes

778
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:14,700
running in I mean they take this

779
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:15,299
very very

780
00:31:20,060 --> 00:31:18,179
yeah so when you're going up the bridge

781
00:31:24,499 --> 00:31:20,070
you have no idea what's on these levels

782
00:31:26,119 --> 00:31:24,509
I didn't at least and you know you see

783
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:26,129
the stuff going on you're like wow this

784
00:31:29,239 --> 00:31:27,570
stuff must be heavy like if they're

785
00:31:31,070 --> 00:31:29,249
protecting it this much it must be like

786
00:31:32,539 --> 00:31:31,080
serious and they put you through the

787
00:31:34,580 --> 00:31:32,549
wringer that you have to get tons of

788
00:31:36,979 --> 00:31:34,590
security checking to make sure that

789
00:31:38,180 --> 00:31:36,989
you're you're safe - I mean safe under

790
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:38,190
their eyes to actually read the

791
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:39,570
materials and then when you finally read

792
00:31:44,930 --> 00:31:42,980
them I was 18 when I did it and I was so

793
00:31:47,149 --> 00:31:44,940
brainwashed into it I was so

794
00:31:49,009 --> 00:31:47,159
indoctrinated I had pretty much no

795
00:31:50,899 --> 00:31:49,019
choice but to believe all the that

796
00:31:53,299 --> 00:31:50,909
I read in it now you know I think it's

797
00:31:55,519 --> 00:31:53,309
completely ridiculous but at the time I

798
00:31:58,009 --> 00:31:55,529
actually really truly believed that that

799
00:32:01,220 --> 00:31:58,019
that was the answer I was like oh okay I

800
00:32:03,710 --> 00:32:01,230
was I was nothing it was nothing like it

801
00:32:05,060 --> 00:32:03,720
that I had ever expected to do it and

802
00:32:07,340 --> 00:32:05,070
then the thing is is that once you read

803
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:07,350
it then you have to go in session and

804
00:32:11,899 --> 00:32:10,289
you have to do the auditing to fix the

805
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:11,909
whole thing of what he said was the

806
00:32:20,029 --> 00:32:14,090
problem was and it's a very complicated

807
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:20,039
very convoluted so that's interesting

808
00:32:25,989 --> 00:32:21,690
because you know we've heard when people

809
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:25,999
get to the the creation story - ot3 that

810
00:32:31,369 --> 00:32:29,220
people like Leah she she was like oh my

811
00:32:33,289 --> 00:32:31,379
god this is such and then right

812
00:32:36,019 --> 00:32:33,299
there's someone like you who was like

813
00:32:38,090 --> 00:32:36,029
okay I'm gonna run with this like every

814
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:38,100
religion has like a myth Oh Sarah

815
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:40,559
mythology to it I yeah guess this is

816
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:43,529
ours so this is our is that kind of what

817
00:32:47,479 --> 00:32:45,450
you went with when this whole story of

818
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:47,489
Xenu which I would love if you could

819
00:32:53,299 --> 00:32:50,730
like kind of tell us about if you don't

820
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:53,309
know this whole story of Xenu and things

821
00:32:58,430 --> 00:32:56,070
and oh god I know it's very confident

822
00:33:00,830 --> 00:32:58,440
but again it is were UFO podcasts were

823
00:33:02,749 --> 00:33:00,840
used to that yeah exactly and also too

824
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:02,759
by the way the thing with Leah I know

825
00:33:06,019 --> 00:33:04,049
that she first thought that it was

826
00:33:07,639 --> 00:33:06,029
but again she couldn't say

827
00:33:09,049 --> 00:33:07,649
anything because again you're not

828
00:33:12,229 --> 00:33:09,059
supposed to say anything negative you're

829
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,239
not supposed to disagree and the ot3

830
00:33:18,070 --> 00:33:14,820
materials most of them are in Hubbard's

831
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:18,080
handwriting they are non disputable and

832
00:33:23,269 --> 00:33:21,690
and by the way all of the ot3 materials

833
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:23,279
you can find it on the internet now in

834
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:25,919
his handwriting so they're not really

835
00:33:28,820 --> 00:33:27,330
that big of a secret anymore but

836
00:33:29,139 --> 00:33:28,830
Scientology still pretends that they

837
00:33:31,539 --> 00:33:29,149
don't

838
00:33:34,299 --> 00:33:31,549
just anywhere else outside of the

839
00:33:35,950 --> 00:33:34,309
outside of the confines of Fort Knox but

840
00:33:39,009 --> 00:33:35,960
yeah no that's what I sort of believed I

841
00:33:40,869 --> 00:33:39,019
was like oh well if if l ron Hubbard

842
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:40,879
says that it is than it is must be true

843
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:42,409
because that's the thing that you were

844
00:33:45,849 --> 00:33:44,089
taught and you were indoctrinated into

845
00:33:48,489 --> 00:33:45,859
believing you can't dispute anything

846
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:48,499
that he says what's written is what's

847
00:33:52,899 --> 00:33:50,570
true if he wrote it then it must be true

848
00:33:55,089 --> 00:33:52,909
he could have told you whatever he

849
00:33:56,950 --> 00:33:55,099
wanted to in the world and he would have

850
00:33:58,869 --> 00:33:56,960
had to have and that and that and that

851
00:34:01,060 --> 00:33:58,879
was it and if you disputed it or if he

852
00:34:02,709 --> 00:34:01,070
had a problem with it then you would go

853
00:34:04,029 --> 00:34:02,719
back to ethics and nobody wants to do

854
00:34:05,919 --> 00:34:04,039
that so of course what do you do you

855
00:34:12,700 --> 00:34:05,929
keep your mouth shut so what is the

856
00:34:14,769 --> 00:34:12,710
creation story okay do you enjoy true

857
00:34:17,500 --> 00:34:14,779
stories of the supernatural from the

858
00:34:19,930 --> 00:34:17,510
people who experienced it well then you

859
00:34:22,629 --> 00:34:19,940
might like my show Jim Harold's campfire

860
00:34:26,409 --> 00:34:22,639
hi I'm Jim and we've been doing the show

861
00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,419
since 2009 and we talk about ghosts

862
00:34:31,419 --> 00:34:29,119
cryptic creatures UFOs head scratchers

863
00:34:34,089 --> 00:34:31,429
you name it and you tune in you might

864
00:34:37,419 --> 00:34:34,099
hear a story like this one and as he was

865
00:34:40,899 --> 00:34:37,429
driving home he encountered a shadow

866
00:34:44,200 --> 00:34:40,909
person who seemed to be dressed like a

867
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:44,210
monk I know that sounds very strange but

868
00:34:50,309 --> 00:34:47,210
it was a solid black form and it was

869
00:34:54,970 --> 00:34:50,319
wearing a hooded cloak tied at the waist

870
00:34:58,839 --> 00:34:54,980
with the cloak up and it had glowing red

871
00:35:02,859 --> 00:34:58,849
eyes he sees this thing coming out of a

872
00:35:04,630 --> 00:35:02,869
really teeny abandoned Cemetery if you

873
00:35:07,089 --> 00:35:04,640
haven't tuned in I hope you'll check us

874
00:35:10,059 --> 00:35:07,099
out you can find us on Apple podcasts

875
00:35:12,730 --> 00:35:10,069
Spotify and wherever podcasts are heard

876
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:12,740
it's Jim Harold's campfire and you can

877
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:14,690
find it at Jim Harold calm

878
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:23,150
so basically what happened is is that 75

879
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:26,210
million years ago earth is part of a

880
00:35:32,450 --> 00:35:28,890
Galactic Confederation of planets and

881
00:35:36,799 --> 00:35:32,460
our planet the original name for Earth

882
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:36,809
is called T G AK and T G AK Earth has

883
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:38,190
been sort of a dumping ground for

884
00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:39,510
millions and millions and millions of

885
00:35:43,220 --> 00:35:41,460
years this is like the really like the

886
00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:43,230
shittiest planet and the in the whole

887
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:44,819
Confederation I think he said there was

888
00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:48,270
76 or 77 planets or something so there

889
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:51,359
was a huge overpopulation problem with

890
00:35:56,270 --> 00:35:53,640
most of the other planets so what Xenu

891
00:35:58,480 --> 00:35:56,280
decided to do is he decided to fix the

892
00:36:02,660 --> 00:35:58,490
population problem he gathered up

893
00:36:06,170 --> 00:36:02,670
billions and billions of people aliens

894
00:36:08,839 --> 00:36:06,180
and put them in the spaceships that he

895
00:36:10,190 --> 00:36:08,849
said look like dc-8 air airplanes except

896
00:36:13,010 --> 00:36:10,200
they had rocket engines on them and not

897
00:36:16,130 --> 00:36:13,020
propellers nice and so billions of these

898
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:16,140
of these people aliens you know aliens

899
00:36:18,890 --> 00:36:17,550
from different types of bodies and

900
00:36:21,799 --> 00:36:18,900
things like that different types of

901
00:36:24,020 --> 00:36:21,809
creatures brought them all to earth blew

902
00:36:26,089 --> 00:36:24,030
them up in volcanoes and then trap them

903
00:36:28,069 --> 00:36:26,099
all so now remember of Scientology's

904
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:28,079
basic belief is that you are not your

905
00:36:33,230 --> 00:36:31,410
body you are a soul you are a spiritual

906
00:36:37,010 --> 00:36:33,240
being and this the word that Scientology

907
00:36:40,039 --> 00:36:37,020
uses for spirit is called a Satan so

908
00:36:42,049 --> 00:36:40,049
you're it so you're a Satan you have a

909
00:36:43,579 --> 00:36:42,059
body and you have a mind those are the

910
00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:43,589
those are the three different parts of

911
00:36:48,650 --> 00:36:47,369
man so we so all of these people that he

912
00:36:50,359 --> 00:36:48,660
brought to earth and put them on the

913
00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:50,369
different volcanoes across her sand blew

914
00:36:53,720 --> 00:36:51,510
them up with h-bombs

915
00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:53,730
their bodies are dead but the fate ins

916
00:36:57,770 --> 00:36:55,170
are still there their souls are still

917
00:36:59,630 --> 00:36:57,780
there so he figured out a way to trap

918
00:37:02,980 --> 00:36:59,640
all of these Staton's and basically what

919
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:02,990
he did is he boxed him up in boxes and

920
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:05,490
compacted them to solve the

921
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:08,579
overpopulation problem so now as a

922
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:11,490
result of that incident that happened 75

923
00:37:16,069 --> 00:37:14,130
million years ago everybody walking on

924
00:37:21,260 --> 00:37:16,079
this planet today we are all composite

925
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,270
creatures so you Ryan have hundreds of

926
00:37:24,980 --> 00:37:23,460
thousands of thetan that are stuck to

927
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:24,990
you and stuck to your body

928
00:37:29,420 --> 00:37:27,450
I knew that are right so every single

929
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:29,430
person walking around is not just one

930
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:31,470
thetan it's not just one soul you have

931
00:37:36,500 --> 00:37:33,570
hundreds of thousands of fate ins that

932
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:36,510
stuck to you so when you learn this in

933
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:38,820
Scientology that's the first thing you

934
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:39,900
read is Hubbard tells you the whole

935
00:37:44,810 --> 00:37:41,910
stories like Xenu came in and he did all

936
00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:44,820
this stuff and you know it's a very long

937
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:46,560
and complicated process I think that

938
00:37:51,140 --> 00:37:49,770
whole sequence of events where he blew

939
00:37:53,660 --> 00:37:51,150
them up in the volcanoes and stuff it

940
00:37:55,430 --> 00:37:53,670
lasted for like months or something like

941
00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:55,440
that I can imagine it's a very

942
00:38:01,340 --> 00:37:57,900
complicated process oh yeah so then so

943
00:38:03,830 --> 00:38:01,350
then once you read that then you go okay

944
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:03,840
so now that I know that there's millions

945
00:38:07,150 --> 00:38:05,490
of people or hundreds of thousands of

946
00:38:09,020 --> 00:38:07,160
people that are stuck to me what do I do

947
00:38:12,020 --> 00:38:09,030
Hubbard had a solution for everything

948
00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:12,030
you audit them you have to audit each of

949
00:38:14,690 --> 00:38:13,980
the individual souls this is how you

950
00:38:18,710 --> 00:38:14,700
handle it

951
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:18,720
so using basic Scientology technology

952
00:38:24,890 --> 00:38:22,320
you go through one by one throughout

953
00:38:27,260 --> 00:38:24,900
your entire body and and around your

954
00:38:29,510 --> 00:38:27,270
body to find each of these statements

955
00:38:31,790 --> 00:38:29,520
and you talk to them figure out what

956
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:31,800
their problem is and get them to leave

957
00:38:36,950 --> 00:38:34,530
by using basic Scientology processes

958
00:38:40,010 --> 00:38:36,960
that that in itself takes a very long

959
00:38:42,350 --> 00:38:40,020
time so starting from ot3 all the way up

960
00:38:43,550 --> 00:38:42,360
through ot seven that's the only thing

961
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:43,560
that you're doing is your is your

962
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:47,130
auditing these thetans I'm kind of stuck

963
00:38:51,710 --> 00:38:49,770
to you to get them to leave and what

964
00:38:53,230 --> 00:38:51,720
Hubbard said was is that each of these

965
00:38:57,050 --> 00:38:53,240
Staton's that are stuck to you are

966
00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:57,060
negative emotions and pains and diseases

967
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:58,710
and all of these other things that he

968
00:39:01,610 --> 00:39:00,000
originally was talking about in

969
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:01,620
Dianetics it's like oh well the whole

970
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:04,530
reason why people get sick is because of

971
00:39:08,150 --> 00:39:06,810
the reactive mind and then as the years

972
00:39:10,070 --> 00:39:08,160
went on he was like actually it's not

973
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:10,080
true it's because of these Staton's that

974
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:12,690
are stuck to you so the more Satan's you

975
00:39:17,860 --> 00:39:15,450
get rid of it's so insane when I say it

976
00:39:20,060 --> 00:39:17,870
like whatever I tell the story yeah so

977
00:39:21,950 --> 00:39:20,070
basically he was saying the more you

978
00:39:23,660 --> 00:39:21,960
audit these Satan's and the more the

979
00:39:24,260 --> 00:39:23,670
Satan's that you get rid of off of

980
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:24,270
yourself

981
00:39:28,490 --> 00:39:27,090
the happier you'll be the less problems

982
00:39:29,930 --> 00:39:28,500
you'll have and all this other stuff so

983
00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:29,940
that's the in a nutshell that's the

984
00:39:35,570 --> 00:39:32,250
basic gist of what you learn and what

985
00:39:38,810 --> 00:39:35,580
you do on our t3 okay all right well

986
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:38,820
thank you that was I mean it's very

987
00:39:44,030 --> 00:39:41,850
convoluted but it actually like when you

988
00:39:46,310 --> 00:39:44,040
hear it like that I'm like okay so he

989
00:39:46,940 --> 00:39:46,320
basically took his original thoughts and

990
00:39:48,770 --> 00:39:46,950
ideas

991
00:39:51,380 --> 00:39:48,780
in applied this very science-fiction

992
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:51,390
esque slant to it all which make sense

993
00:39:57,650 --> 00:39:54,960
so I mean so body faden's they can get

994
00:40:00,680 --> 00:39:57,660
all over you you're trying to get rid of

995
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:00,690
them through oddity and so do they once

996
00:40:06,470 --> 00:40:03,960
they're off of you do they go to someone

997
00:40:10,579 --> 00:40:06,480
else or can they come back how does that

998
00:40:14,539 --> 00:40:10,589
all work I will read you the exact thing

999
00:40:17,630 --> 00:40:14,549
that Hubbard wrote about that in one of

1000
00:40:19,609 --> 00:40:17,640
the in in in one of the policies that he

1001
00:40:21,950 --> 00:40:19,619
wrote on the on the ot3 course he says

1002
00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:21,960
body things are just Satan's that are

1003
00:40:26,089 --> 00:40:24,210
stuck to you when you get rid of one he

1004
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:26,099
goes off and possibly squares around

1005
00:40:31,700 --> 00:40:29,369
picks up another body or admires daisies

1006
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:31,710
so basically what he's saying there is

1007
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:33,180
is that they can basically do whatever

1008
00:40:38,450 --> 00:40:35,490
they want I see because they've been

1009
00:40:39,980 --> 00:40:38,460
stuck to you for 75 million years this

1010
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:39,990
is the first time that they're actually

1011
00:40:45,380 --> 00:40:42,930
like on their own and a single Phaeton

1012
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:45,390
so he could go and find another body

1013
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:47,010
because you know Scientologists believe

1014
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,980
in past lives and we've all lived you

1015
00:40:53,180 --> 00:40:51,420
know millions upon millions upon

1016
00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:53,190
millions of lifetimes and all this other

1017
00:40:57,380 --> 00:40:55,680
crap so he could go pick up another body

1018
00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:57,390
he could go sniff the daisies he can

1019
00:41:02,089 --> 00:40:59,490
basically do whatever they want so yeah

1020
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:02,099
it's it's almost like a threat but it

1021
00:41:08,210 --> 00:41:04,710
could return if it wants to and the

1022
00:41:10,789 --> 00:41:08,220
cycle just keeps going in a way it could

1023
00:41:13,730 --> 00:41:10,799
be but but at the same time Hubbard said

1024
00:41:16,549 --> 00:41:13,740
that like a regular thetan if you if you

1025
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:16,559
do Scientology auditing on someone you

1026
00:41:20,089 --> 00:41:17,970
know could be you or could be me and

1027
00:41:22,099 --> 00:41:20,099
it's supposed to make them better it's

1028
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:22,109
the same thing with a body thing one of

1029
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:23,849
the guys that are stuck to you hi so if

1030
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,410
you audit them so if you audit them on

1031
00:41:29,539 --> 00:41:27,839
Scientology it's the same thing they're

1032
00:41:31,069 --> 00:41:29,549
gonna be a little bit better than they

1033
00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:31,079
were before and they're gonna hopefully

1034
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:33,450
not get back into that vicious cycle all

1035
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:34,650
over again okay

1036
00:41:40,250 --> 00:41:37,410
so Joey being that you were like one of

1037
00:41:42,950 --> 00:41:40,260
the prime auditors I've heard rumors

1038
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:42,960
that auditing sessions are recorded is

1039
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:45,530
this true if so why yeah being recorded

1040
00:41:51,140 --> 00:41:49,290
yes absolutely will that's terrifying

1041
00:41:52,970 --> 00:41:51,150
it really is terrifying because when

1042
00:41:55,069 --> 00:41:52,980
you're getting auditing especially

1043
00:41:58,309 --> 00:41:55,079
during like the security checking you're

1044
00:42:00,410 --> 00:41:58,319
telling these guys as they did to me

1045
00:42:00,859 --> 00:42:00,420
they're they're telling me their deepest

1046
00:42:04,309 --> 00:42:00,869
darkest

1047
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:04,319
secrets right like in full detail their

1048
00:42:08,420 --> 00:42:06,839
most personal thoughts really

1049
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:08,430
embarrassing things that they've done

1050
00:42:12,380 --> 00:42:10,890
like really like secretive stuff and the

1051
00:42:15,650 --> 00:42:12,390
reason why that they say that they do

1052
00:42:19,009 --> 00:42:15,660
all the recordings of everything is for

1053
00:42:22,430 --> 00:42:19,019
the purpose of the auditor so like when

1054
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:22,440
I used to audit at the big blue at the

1055
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:23,970
big blue buildings down on Sunset

1056
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:26,099
Boulevard every single time that I would

1057
00:42:29,569 --> 00:42:27,720
go into one of the little auditing rooms

1058
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,579
to take someone a session everything was

1059
00:42:33,499 --> 00:42:31,980
recorded so then the person who is in

1060
00:42:35,749 --> 00:42:33,509
charge of the auditing they called them

1061
00:42:38,329 --> 00:42:35,759
the case supervisor they have a little

1062
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:38,339
look in system where they can they have

1063
00:42:42,799 --> 00:42:40,980
a TV in their office and they look in on

1064
00:42:44,180 --> 00:42:42,809
everybody sessions they can just kind of

1065
00:42:46,249 --> 00:42:44,190
pop in you know by pressing a button

1066
00:42:48,829 --> 00:42:46,259
they say it's for the purpose of

1067
00:42:50,839 --> 00:42:48,839
correcting the auditor if the auditor

1068
00:42:52,789 --> 00:42:50,849
made a mistake which is true because

1069
00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:52,799
sometimes he like I would do something

1070
00:42:56,749 --> 00:42:54,900
that was technically not correct and

1071
00:42:58,279 --> 00:42:56,759
they would say like Oh Joey the session

1072
00:43:00,529 --> 00:42:58,289
that you did yesterday I watched the

1073
00:43:02,359 --> 00:43:00,539
video and you did you forgot to do this

1074
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:02,369
you or you forgot to do that and then I

1075
00:43:06,229 --> 00:43:04,890
would be sent to correction but the real

1076
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:06,239
reason that they want to do it is so

1077
00:43:09,979 --> 00:43:07,650
that they have a record of everything

1078
00:43:12,739 --> 00:43:09,989
that the person ever says because they

1079
00:43:14,599 --> 00:43:12,749
auditors write everything down whenever

1080
00:43:16,039 --> 00:43:14,609
you go into a session you're supposed to

1081
00:43:18,769 --> 00:43:16,049
write down everything that you do and

1082
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:18,779
everything that the patient says but

1083
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:21,210
it's mostly shorthand but if you have it

1084
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:22,680
on video and if you have a sound

1085
00:43:27,410 --> 00:43:25,650
recording of it there's no dispute as to

1086
00:43:29,180 --> 00:43:27,420
what happened and what they said because

1087
00:43:30,589 --> 00:43:29,190
the auditor can write down anything that

1088
00:43:31,910 --> 00:43:30,599
they want and if there wasn't a video

1089
00:43:35,390 --> 00:43:31,920
that nobody would really ever know

1090
00:43:38,420 --> 00:43:35,400
that's a good point yeah mm-hmm but this

1091
00:43:40,910 --> 00:43:38,430
was the person being audited they were

1092
00:43:44,299 --> 00:43:40,920
not aware right that this is being

1093
00:43:47,150 --> 00:43:44,309
recorded correct right see that's me it

1094
00:43:49,729 --> 00:43:47,160
just it's making me envision all these

1095
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:49,739
times I went to confession in my Roman

1096
00:43:54,529 --> 00:43:52,319
Catholic Church and I did tell them

1097
00:43:56,660 --> 00:43:54,539
things that nobody on this earth would

1098
00:43:58,579 --> 00:43:56,670
know and that terrifies me to think that

1099
00:44:01,940 --> 00:43:58,589
whoa my religion could have been doing

1100
00:44:03,799 --> 00:44:01,950
the same thing no in really embarrassing

1101
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,809
- it's like people told me some

1102
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:06,180
really really personal thing and the

1103
00:44:11,420 --> 00:44:08,249
other thing too is is that over the

1104
00:44:14,029 --> 00:44:11,430
years since I have left Scientology a

1105
00:44:14,810 --> 00:44:14,039
lot of the cameras because I still talk

1106
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:14,820
to people that are

1107
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:16,410
in Scientology they're just kind of

1108
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:18,870
laying low under the radar they would

1109
00:44:22,220 --> 00:44:20,490
never speak out about it because they're

1110
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:22,230
obviously afraid of losing their family

1111
00:44:26,750 --> 00:44:24,480
or friends but they've called me and

1112
00:44:28,670 --> 00:44:26,760
told me things like now the Kent because

1113
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:28,680
before the cameras you could kind of see

1114
00:44:33,710 --> 00:44:30,450
them and you sort of knew that they were

1115
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:33,720
there but now they're hidden like they

1116
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:36,690
literally hide cameras in like I think

1117
00:44:42,020 --> 00:44:40,290
at the at the the Church of Scientology

1118
00:44:44,450 --> 00:44:42,030
the one that's in Florida the one in

1119
00:44:48,860 --> 00:44:44,460
Clearwater the huge one they hide they

1120
00:44:50,660 --> 00:44:48,870
hide the cameras behind a photo frame on

1121
00:44:52,970 --> 00:44:50,670
the wall and there's a microphone it's

1122
00:44:54,590 --> 00:44:52,980
hidden underneath the table back in the

1123
00:44:57,830 --> 00:44:54,600
day when I was doing my auditing in the

1124
00:44:59,960 --> 00:44:57,840
mid 90s like there was a full-on camera

1125
00:45:01,580 --> 00:44:59,970
there that we could that that that

1126
00:45:03,770 --> 00:45:01,590
everybody could see there was no

1127
00:45:05,540 --> 00:45:03,780
question about it but now it's

1128
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:05,550
completely hidden oh well you know we

1129
00:45:08,690 --> 00:45:07,410
don't want to distract the we don't want

1130
00:45:10,460 --> 00:45:08,700
to distract the patient you know whether

1131
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:10,470
while they're getting their auditing but

1132
00:45:14,540 --> 00:45:12,210
it's like if you're a new Scientologist

1133
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:14,550
or if you had no eye or if you have no

1134
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:16,350
auditor training whatsoever you wouldn't

1135
00:45:21,550 --> 00:45:17,850
know that the thing was being recorded

1136
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:21,560
at all right so right it's scary

1137
00:45:27,650 --> 00:45:25,170
scary and you know we kind of assumed

1138
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,660
why they were doing that when when

1139
00:45:31,930 --> 00:45:29,520
someone does decide to try to leave the

1140
00:45:34,820 --> 00:45:31,940
church you know you have oh yeah so much

1141
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:34,830
people they have so much dirt on them

1142
00:45:39,290 --> 00:45:37,680
yeah so much so much dirt on them I want

1143
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:39,300
to get later on with some of the

1144
00:45:45,350 --> 00:45:42,530
celebrity members but but yeah okay yeah

1145
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:45,360
we'll save that for the second part but

1146
00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:49,590
okay so the creation story so Xenu is

1147
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:51,390
there anything else within Scientology

1148
00:45:56,210 --> 00:45:54,090
that involves UFOs or aliens or is this

1149
00:45:59,120 --> 00:45:56,220
kind of the one mythology that

1150
00:46:02,030 --> 00:45:59,130
Scientology stands by there's actually a

1151
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:02,040
lot a lot more really and okay yeah you

1152
00:46:06,890 --> 00:46:04,170
you learn about because remember in

1153
00:46:10,460 --> 00:46:06,900
Scientology you learn very very early on

1154
00:46:12,980 --> 00:46:10,470
of Hubbard's concept of Satan's and you

1155
00:46:15,410 --> 00:46:12,990
know you yourself are a Satan and you

1156
00:46:17,390 --> 00:46:15,420
have past live stuff like that and then

1157
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:17,400
there's a particular there's a

1158
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:19,170
particular series of books in

1159
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:20,970
Scientology they're called the research

1160
00:46:24,830 --> 00:46:23,220
and discovery volume bugs it's like I

1161
00:46:25,490 --> 00:46:24,840
think it's a volume of like seven or

1162
00:46:28,610 --> 00:46:25,500
eight of them

1163
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:28,620
there are transcripts of a bug

1164
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:30,330
of lectures that Hubbard did in the

1165
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:33,510
early 1950s and going into like 1960

1166
00:46:38,990 --> 00:46:36,530
something where he talks about there's a

1167
00:46:41,690 --> 00:46:39,000
lecture I forget the name of it but I

1168
00:46:44,540 --> 00:46:41,700
but I remember very very vividly what he

1169
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:44,550
was talking about and you know he's just

1170
00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,500
casually giving a lecture to people he's

1171
00:46:50,330 --> 00:46:48,000
like oh you know because he believed

1172
00:46:51,890 --> 00:46:50,340
that he could leave his body and you

1173
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:51,900
know travel to different places and

1174
00:46:54,820 --> 00:46:53,010
things like that you know kind of like

1175
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:54,830
teleportation and things like that are

1176
00:46:59,900 --> 00:46:57,330
so he was talking about leaving his body

1177
00:47:01,640 --> 00:46:59,910
and he was like oh well you know

1178
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:01,650
yesterday I went up to the Van Allen

1179
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:02,970
belt and I was just sitting there just

1180
00:47:06,050 --> 00:47:04,530
looking at the stars and stuff like that

1181
00:47:08,270 --> 00:47:06,060
the Van Allen belt is that it's that

1182
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:08,280
layer of radiation that surrounds earth

1183
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:10,920
I think is what it is okay okay and so

1184
00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:12,330
he was talking about yeah I'm I was

1185
00:47:15,590 --> 00:47:13,710
sitting up at the Van Allen belt and

1186
00:47:18,110 --> 00:47:15,600
like God do you guys have any idea how

1187
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,120
warm it is up in space it was really

1188
00:47:23,030 --> 00:47:19,920
really weird and then he was telling the

1189
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:23,040
story and like he and then he had had a

1190
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:25,170
fleeting thought of like how he would

1191
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:26,850
like to go to Mars and then he like

1192
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:29,280
popped like immediately popped him went

1193
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:33,210
straight to a an alien army base on Mars

1194
00:47:39,020 --> 00:47:37,050
and so so these are things that he said

1195
00:47:40,100 --> 00:47:39,030
in his lecture so when you're a kid or

1196
00:47:42,350 --> 00:47:40,110
when you're a young person in

1197
00:47:44,150 --> 00:47:42,360
Scientology reading about these stories

1198
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:44,160
and like he was talking about this thing

1199
00:47:50,900 --> 00:47:47,010
called the v invader forces and there

1200
00:47:51,380 --> 00:47:50,910
are an army of aliens that had a base on

1201
00:47:55,160 --> 00:47:51,390
Mars

1202
00:47:56,570 --> 00:47:55,170
and apparently what he taught I don't

1203
00:47:58,790 --> 00:47:56,580
remember the exact story but basically

1204
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,800
what he said was is that these different

1205
00:48:03,110 --> 00:48:00,720
waves of these alien forces they would

1206
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:03,120
take the criminals and they would take

1207
00:48:06,620 --> 00:48:04,770
the bad people from other planets and

1208
00:48:09,350 --> 00:48:06,630
they would dump them on earth so he

1209
00:48:13,490 --> 00:48:09,360
called earth like basically a prison for

1210
00:48:15,590 --> 00:48:13,500
the whole galaxy and and we were sort of

1211
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:15,600
like the last dumping ground for people

1212
00:48:19,700 --> 00:48:18,330
that they were trying to reheat the

1213
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:19,710
criminals that they were trying to

1214
00:48:23,090 --> 00:48:21,570
rehabilitate on other planets and things

1215
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:23,100
like that so Christie so it's like

1216
00:48:28,340 --> 00:48:26,280
Australia almost almost yes so earth is

1217
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:28,350
like the galaxies Australia but again

1218
00:48:32,690 --> 00:48:30,480
none of that stuff is confidential you

1219
00:48:36,190 --> 00:48:32,700
can go into and - excuse me go into any

1220
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:36,200
Church of Scientology and read about the

1221
00:48:40,730 --> 00:48:39,210
v of data forces and then he and then

1222
00:48:42,330 --> 00:48:40,740
the and then the thing about the Van

1223
00:48:44,750 --> 00:48:42,340
Allen belt he talks about having

1224
00:48:47,730 --> 00:48:44,760
bodies in pond where you have like a

1225
00:48:49,170 --> 00:48:47,740
twin or an exact copy of the body but

1226
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:49,180
it's an alien body on a very very

1227
00:48:52,290 --> 00:48:50,770
distant planet you can go in and read

1228
00:48:54,330 --> 00:48:52,300
all that stuff he doesn't hide it you

1229
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:54,340
take be clear after pre-clear after

1230
00:48:58,140 --> 00:48:56,170
briefly after paper you put up on

1231
00:49:00,120 --> 00:48:58,150
emitters you try to run them you try to

1232
00:49:10,770 --> 00:49:00,130
do this you try to do that straight on

1233
00:49:14,490 --> 00:49:10,780
and you body's communications spaceships

1234
00:49:24,750 --> 00:49:14,500
other planets locations beingness in

1235
00:49:27,390 --> 00:49:24,760
other states the thing you don't learn

1236
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:27,400
about are the body Satan's in Xenu those

1237
00:49:32,340 --> 00:49:30,160
you don't learn until ot 3 I say see but

1238
00:49:35,910 --> 00:49:32,350
there's a lot of stuff about aliens and

1239
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:35,920
UFOs and bases and things like that and

1240
00:49:39,240 --> 00:49:37,570
it's and it's I thought it was really

1241
00:49:40,980 --> 00:49:39,250
cool when I was a kid I was like oh this

1242
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:40,990
is so cool I want to leave my body

1243
00:49:45,690 --> 00:49:43,570
invite just pop up to the pop up to the

1244
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:45,700
Mars base and things like that you know

1245
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:47,290
I was like this is awesome

1246
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:49,450
dude I mean I was just going to say that

1247
00:49:54,540 --> 00:49:52,450
as a person interested in all this stuff

1248
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:54,550
since a very early age I would have

1249
00:50:00,000 --> 00:49:57,490
eaten that up knowing like actually

1250
00:50:02,250 --> 00:50:00,010
part of like the head of my religion

1251
00:50:03,810 --> 00:50:02,260
that would have like I would have been a

1252
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:03,820
Scientologist till the day I died

1253
00:50:08,460 --> 00:50:05,770
knowing that I could possibly go to Mars

1254
00:50:11,430 --> 00:50:08,470
and I'm gonna be honest with you there

1255
00:50:14,220 --> 00:50:11,440
are people in the UFO community right

1256
00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:14,230
now touting those same stories that they

1257
00:50:19,050 --> 00:50:17,290
worked on a base on Mars and Obama was

1258
00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:19,060
there with them and they had to fight

1259
00:50:23,460 --> 00:50:21,460
this intergalactic I'm not kidding you

1260
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:23,470
and people actually believe this stuff

1261
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:26,380
so when I hear you talking new and and

1262
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:29,050
the satans and these stories of you know

1263
00:50:34,710 --> 00:50:32,890
alien doppelgangers it sounds crazy to

1264
00:50:37,230 --> 00:50:34,720
the layman person but these are stories

1265
00:50:39,060 --> 00:50:37,240
I hear every single day from people who

1266
00:50:41,790 --> 00:50:39,070
claim that this actually happened so

1267
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:41,800
there's a lot of interconnectedness

1268
00:50:46,860 --> 00:50:43,930
between Scientology in the UFO field

1269
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:46,870
obviously so this is why I'm so happy

1270
00:50:52,290 --> 00:50:50,110
that to hear you telling me all this

1271
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:52,300
it's it's it's crazy it doesn't sound as

1272
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:54,010
crazy as you think well and then and

1273
00:50:56,250 --> 00:50:55,210
then also the other thing that I was

1274
00:50:58,860 --> 00:50:56,260
gonna say too is that when I

1275
00:51:02,490 --> 00:50:58,870
was auditing people you know most of the

1276
00:51:04,350 --> 00:51:02,500
time we encourage the patient to go into

1277
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:04,360
a past life to talk about you know

1278
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:05,890
whatever they want to talk about it's

1279
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:07,480
usually like some sort of a traumatic

1280
00:51:10,830 --> 00:51:09,010
thing that happened so like in

1281
00:51:12,690 --> 00:51:10,840
Scientology there's this there's this

1282
00:51:14,550 --> 00:51:12,700
concept of like if you had something bad

1283
00:51:16,020 --> 00:51:14,560
happen to you like you like I was

1284
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:16,030
auditing someone and they were like oh I

1285
00:51:19,440 --> 00:51:17,650
got into a car accident the other day

1286
00:51:21,060 --> 00:51:19,450
and then you know we talk about that and

1287
00:51:23,910 --> 00:51:21,070
we go over it and talk about the pain

1288
00:51:25,860 --> 00:51:23,920
and you know like what did the car smell

1289
00:51:27,540 --> 00:51:25,870
like what did the and we tried to get

1290
00:51:29,970 --> 00:51:27,550
details of it because Hubbard believed

1291
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:29,980
that if you examine something in very

1292
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:32,410
very close detail you kind of get a you

1293
00:51:36,660 --> 00:51:34,210
kind of get a relief from the negativity

1294
00:51:39,180 --> 00:51:36,670
of it and then you go earlier okay when

1295
00:51:40,770 --> 00:51:39,190
was an earlier similar time you got into

1296
00:51:42,060 --> 00:51:40,780
a car accident and we would go back and

1297
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:42,070
we would go back and we go back and

1298
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:44,290
eventually people would go back into the

1299
00:51:48,450 --> 00:51:46,810
past lives so I'd say like okay when was

1300
00:51:51,380 --> 00:51:48,460
an earlier similar time he got into a

1301
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:51,390
car accident oh you know in the in the

1302
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:54,880
1850s I was in a woman's body and we

1303
00:51:58,410 --> 00:51:56,770
were in a buggy accident okay tell me

1304
00:52:00,420 --> 00:51:58,420
about an earlier similar and we would go

1305
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:00,430
back really far Wow to the point where

1306
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:01,810
they were to the point where they would

1307
00:52:08,580 --> 00:52:05,440
say something like you know 74 billion

1308
00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:08,590
years ago I was on this weird planet and

1309
00:52:13,230 --> 00:52:11,230
we were like these these weird like

1310
00:52:14,700 --> 00:52:13,240
alien bodies and I remember we were in

1311
00:52:17,070 --> 00:52:14,710
this some sort of like a roundish

1312
00:52:19,110 --> 00:52:17,080
vehicle and it like crashed into an

1313
00:52:20,610 --> 00:52:19,120
asteroid when we were flying through

1314
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:20,620
space or something like that so I would

1315
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:22,810
hear these stories all the time there

1316
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:25,090
were people's personal stories okay

1317
00:52:28,980 --> 00:52:27,490
obviously interpretations of what they

1318
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:28,990
thought they did in the past life but

1319
00:52:36,330 --> 00:52:32,160
it's like it was a very it was a very

1320
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:36,340
alien and UFO sort of based concept what

1321
00:52:40,770 --> 00:52:38,710
was that um before ot3

1322
00:52:43,050 --> 00:52:40,780
yeah yeah yeah yeah how does when you

1323
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:43,060
because before you do the OT levels

1324
00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:46,450
you're required to be able to easily go

1325
00:52:51,990 --> 00:52:50,110
into your past life is okay okay because

1326
00:52:54,030 --> 00:52:52,000
by the time you get all of the earlier

1327
00:52:56,550 --> 00:52:54,040
auditing before you get to clear you

1328
00:52:58,620 --> 00:52:56,560
would have already gone you know past

1329
00:53:00,780 --> 00:52:58,630
life in your auditing many many many

1330
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:00,790
times gotcha it's interesting that you

1331
00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:02,890
would hear those stories before they

1332
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:05,260
learned like the creation story you know

1333
00:53:09,810 --> 00:53:07,810
right right but again all of the earlier

1334
00:53:10,230 --> 00:53:09,820
works when Hubbard talked about you know

1335
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:10,240
like

1336
00:53:16,530 --> 00:53:14,890
there was a book that they stopped

1337
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:16,540
publishing a couple years ago I don't

1338
00:53:19,890 --> 00:53:17,890
know why it's a book called have you

1339
00:53:22,170 --> 00:53:19,900
lived before this life and it's stories

1340
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:22,180
of people who talked about when they

1341
00:53:26,099 --> 00:53:24,010
went you know back in past lives and

1342
00:53:28,650 --> 00:53:26,109
stuff like that so it's like it it's a

1343
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,660
very common concept for early on

1344
00:53:32,490 --> 00:53:31,359
Scientology people who who are studying

1345
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:32,500
this stuff okay

1346
00:53:36,060 --> 00:53:34,450
so they introduced the concept of going

1347
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:36,070
past lives and then of course he talks

1348
00:53:40,829 --> 00:53:37,570
about aliens and stuff in the non

1349
00:53:42,390 --> 00:53:40,839
confidential lectures so you get kind of

1350
00:53:44,370 --> 00:53:42,400
those ideas stuck in your head and then

1351
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:44,380
eventually when you get you know start

1352
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:46,330
going up the bridge and start getting

1353
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:47,710
more and more auditing you're like okay

1354
00:53:51,540 --> 00:53:49,570
this is a regular thing though okay

1355
00:53:54,180 --> 00:53:51,550
gotcha sand there was there could be

1356
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:54,190
some influence early on before even

1357
00:54:01,349 --> 00:53:56,890
reaching the creation story yeah a lot

1358
00:54:04,020 --> 00:54:01,359
okay what so okay so during your ot3

1359
00:54:06,660 --> 00:54:04,030
level you decided to become a member of

1360
00:54:09,780 --> 00:54:06,670
the Sea Org and so could you

1361
00:54:12,870 --> 00:54:09,790
I know it's tough man I know stupid no

1362
00:54:15,780 --> 00:54:12,880
it was stupid okay okay you said it I

1363
00:54:17,849 --> 00:54:15,790
didn't but again this this is your life

1364
00:54:20,130 --> 00:54:17,859
and this is the navigation you took

1365
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:20,140
having been written into this so it

1366
00:54:24,900 --> 00:54:22,210
might sound stupid to a lot of people

1367
00:54:26,970 --> 00:54:24,910
but this was your life so could you just

1368
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:26,980
going to us what the Sea Org is how it's

1369
00:54:31,020 --> 00:54:28,810
different from just you know being a

1370
00:54:33,150 --> 00:54:31,030
regular Scientology member in yeah what

1371
00:54:35,460 --> 00:54:33,160
sort of like a two-day experience was in

1372
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:35,470
the Sea Org okay okay so the sea the sea

1373
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:38,880
organization was developed by Hubbard in

1374
00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:42,760
1967 or 1968 I think and what he did is

1375
00:54:48,839 --> 00:54:45,070
he got together a group of his most

1376
00:54:51,390 --> 00:54:48,849
hardcore Scientologists and set out on

1377
00:54:54,630 --> 00:54:51,400
the ocean so that the sea that's why

1378
00:54:57,750 --> 00:54:54,640
they call it the Sea Org so he created

1379
00:55:00,030 --> 00:54:57,760
his own little personal navy on this

1380
00:55:01,950 --> 00:55:00,040
boat and they sailed around the

1381
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:01,960
Caribbean and they sailed around the

1382
00:55:06,540 --> 00:55:04,450
Atlantic area for probably about a

1383
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:06,550
decade I think and basically what ha

1384
00:55:11,339 --> 00:55:08,770
what the Sea Org is is that it's for its

1385
00:55:13,620 --> 00:55:11,349
it's the it's the clergy of Scientology

1386
00:55:15,329 --> 00:55:13,630
okay so if you were gonna join the

1387
00:55:18,329 --> 00:55:15,339
priesthood or if you were gonna become a

1388
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:18,339
nun it's sort of the same thing as joint

1389
00:55:22,349 --> 00:55:19,930
like you would be joining the highest

1390
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,359
ranks of Scientology and as part of your

1391
00:55:25,530 --> 00:55:23,920
commitment to the Sea Org your

1392
00:55:29,130 --> 00:55:25,540
supposed to sign a contract for 1

1393
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:29,140
billion years so in the Sea Org you're

1394
00:55:33,299 --> 00:55:31,240
the concept is is that you work in the

1395
00:55:36,059 --> 00:55:33,309
Sea Org and you dedicate your entire

1396
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:36,069
life to Scientology and many other

1397
00:55:41,309 --> 00:55:38,770
future lifetimes and he says it very

1398
00:55:44,250 --> 00:55:41,319
very clearly he's like when you die you

1399
00:55:46,260 --> 00:55:44,260
have a 21-year break or a 21 year leave

1400
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:46,270
of absence from the Sea Org and then

1401
00:55:50,280 --> 00:55:47,680
when you go and you pick up a new body

1402
00:55:52,109 --> 00:55:50,290
and that body gets to grow up a little

1403
00:55:54,089 --> 00:55:52,119
bit after 21 years you're supposed to

1404
00:55:55,170 --> 00:55:54,099
come back another another interesting

1405
00:55:57,180 --> 00:55:55,180
thing about the seer and people that

1406
00:55:59,069 --> 00:55:57,190
don't normally know about this is that

1407
00:56:01,710 --> 00:55:59,079
there's a little bit of an alien twist

1408
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:01,720
to it too Hubbard Hubbert Hubbard

1409
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,369
believed that because I told you before

1410
00:56:06,329 --> 00:56:04,960
that earth was a dumping ground for like

1411
00:56:08,490 --> 00:56:06,339
the shittiest people of the gallic

1412
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:08,500
reading planet yeah the prison planet

1413
00:56:13,230 --> 00:56:11,410
Hubbard believed that most of the Sea

1414
00:56:15,750 --> 00:56:13,240
Org members that ended up joining the

1415
00:56:18,450 --> 00:56:15,760
Sea Org and did very well they were what

1416
00:56:20,490 --> 00:56:18,460
he called the loyal officers so the

1417
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:20,500
loyal officers are the ones that

1418
00:56:25,109 --> 00:56:23,230
defeated Xenu back and back in the day

1419
00:56:28,530 --> 00:56:25,119
75 million years ago hmm

1420
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:28,540
okay so connected now yes correct so all

1421
00:56:34,140 --> 00:56:31,650
of the people who were running the

1422
00:56:35,700 --> 00:56:34,150
Galactic Confederation they didn't like

1423
00:56:37,859 --> 00:56:35,710
Xenu and he did this really horrible

1424
00:56:39,870 --> 00:56:37,869
thing and he killed a bunch of people so

1425
00:56:40,770 --> 00:56:39,880
they ended up figuring it out and they

1426
00:56:42,990 --> 00:56:40,780
captured him

1427
00:56:45,329 --> 00:56:43,000
so those he called them the loyal

1428
00:56:47,190 --> 00:56:45,339
officer so he believed and he told seer

1429
00:56:49,289 --> 00:56:47,200
members this that they were though that

1430
00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:49,299
they were the reincarnated loyal

1431
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,180
officers so we were like oh my god I

1432
00:56:56,730 --> 00:56:54,400
feel like a like a like a like a like a

1433
00:56:59,039 --> 00:56:56,740
king in a castle I'm like the the creme

1434
00:57:01,380 --> 00:56:59,049
de la creme of the of the entire galaxy

1435
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:01,390
it's crazy so yes so that's what the

1436
00:57:05,609 --> 00:57:02,770
seer gives is you sign a billion-year

1437
00:57:09,780 --> 00:57:05,619
contract and you work live and sleep and

1438
00:57:11,700 --> 00:57:09,790
eat on Scientology property 24/7 you

1439
00:57:13,470 --> 00:57:11,710
don't get any days off you barely get

1440
00:57:16,620 --> 00:57:13,480
time off to see your family or like take

1441
00:57:19,339 --> 00:57:16,630
time to you know for anything and you

1442
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:19,349
pretty much just slave away there for as

1443
00:57:24,450 --> 00:57:21,940
until you die or until you decide to

1444
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:24,460
leave okay so slave away so like what

1445
00:57:30,990 --> 00:57:26,890
what was like a typical day in the Sea

1446
00:57:33,539 --> 00:57:31,000
Org then for you so for me when I was an

1447
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:33,549
auditor the auditors and the and the

1448
00:57:37,170 --> 00:57:35,650
people who actually deliver the courses

1449
00:57:37,590 --> 00:57:37,180
they have a little bit of an easier

1450
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:37,600
sched

1451
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:39,250
as opposed to the people that just do

1452
00:57:42,750 --> 00:57:40,570
like the office worker like the

1453
00:57:45,300 --> 00:57:42,760
administration management stuff so it

1454
00:57:47,820 --> 00:57:45,310
was usually wake up at about 6:30 or

1455
00:57:51,420 --> 00:57:47,830
7:00 a.m. eat breakfast if you have time

1456
00:57:53,700 --> 00:57:51,430
you have to get to your morning kneading

1457
00:57:55,290 --> 00:57:53,710
they call it a muster because that the

1458
00:57:56,940 --> 00:57:55,300
military term it's like a muster where

1459
00:57:58,950 --> 00:57:56,950
you stand in the line and you know they

1460
00:58:01,830 --> 00:57:58,960
do like a little roll call thing by 8:00

1461
00:58:03,810 --> 00:58:01,840
a.m. or 8:30 you're there and you do

1462
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:03,820
your morning meetings and like your your

1463
00:58:09,420 --> 00:58:06,190
orders of the day are given and then for

1464
00:58:11,340 --> 00:58:09,430
me is an auditor you go into the into

1465
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:11,350
the area where you do the auditing and

1466
00:58:15,180 --> 00:58:13,810
you audit all day long you take a 30

1467
00:58:17,780 --> 00:58:15,190
minute break for lunch a 30 minute break

1468
00:58:20,100 --> 00:58:17,790
for dinner a couple more meetings and

1469
00:58:22,740 --> 00:58:20,110
possibly some more meetings at night and

1470
00:58:25,590 --> 00:58:22,750
then you go to bed by 11:30 or midnight

1471
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:25,600
if you're lucky all day long so you

1472
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:27,010
weren't going to school or anything

1473
00:58:31,530 --> 00:58:29,890
during all this no no well by that time

1474
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:31,540
cuz when I had joined the Sea Org I was

1475
00:58:36,420 --> 00:58:34,090
I was 18 or 19 I had already graduated

1476
00:58:38,490 --> 00:58:36,430
high school okay okay yeah I used that

1477
00:58:40,820 --> 00:58:38,500
term graduated loosely because I went to

1478
00:58:42,900 --> 00:58:40,830
a Scientology run school which was not a

1479
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:42,910
accredited school so I technically

1480
00:58:48,930 --> 00:58:46,360
didn't actually oh okay so they had they

1481
00:58:49,380 --> 00:58:48,940
had their own educational system they

1482
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:49,390
did

1483
00:58:55,380 --> 00:58:54,010
Org and then so you get very very little

1484
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:55,390
sleep at night you're working all day

1485
00:59:00,030 --> 00:58:58,480
seven days a week for fifty bucks a week

1486
00:59:03,060 --> 00:59:00,040
but all of your room and board is paid

1487
00:59:04,710 --> 00:59:03,070
for the food was shitty where I lived in

1488
00:59:07,770 --> 00:59:04,720
the dormitories and that big blue

1489
00:59:09,660 --> 00:59:07,780
building it's shared college style

1490
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:09,670
dormitories except I'm kind of compared

1491
00:59:15,630 --> 00:59:12,850
to prison style dormitory because it's

1492
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:15,640
like it's it's like it's like 15 to 25

1493
00:59:20,510 --> 00:59:18,130
people per per room in triple and triple

1494
00:59:23,820 --> 00:59:20,520
bunk beds the building is filled in

1495
00:59:25,170 --> 00:59:23,830
there's one bathroom on every single

1496
00:59:27,150 --> 00:59:25,180
floor I mean I'm sure they've renovated

1497
00:59:28,770 --> 00:59:27,160
it by now but when I was there there was

1498
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:28,780
one bathroom on the floor that I lived I

1499
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:30,280
lived on the seventh floor of the main

1500
00:59:34,620 --> 00:59:31,930
building the one that has the actual

1501
00:59:36,300 --> 00:59:34,630
Scientology sign on it okay okay there

1502
00:59:38,250 --> 00:59:36,310
was one bathroom for the entire seventh

1503
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:38,260
floor and only two shower stalls so

1504
00:59:41,880 --> 00:59:40,240
every morning it would be like I'd have

1505
00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:41,890
to wait like 30 or 40 minutes just to

1506
00:59:47,670 --> 00:59:45,760
take a shower if I was lucky no and it

1507
00:59:50,220 --> 00:59:47,680
was very regimented while you were there

1508
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:50,230
as well like Jerry

1509
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:52,570
you have to show up for every meeting

1510
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:54,730
and every muster if you're late you get

1511
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:57,250
sent to ethics if you don't show up you

1512
01:00:01,079 --> 00:59:58,720
get sent to ethics there's cameras

1513
01:00:04,770 --> 01:00:01,089
everywhere I remember a friend of mine

1514
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:04,780
who was in the same working in the same

1515
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:06,490
organization with me she and I were kind

1516
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:08,970
of kind of best friends at the time and

1517
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:11,440
every Tuesday or went no I'm sorry it

1518
01:00:16,109 --> 01:00:13,450
was every Wednesday for lunch it would

1519
01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:16,119
be chili and cornbread which I thought

1520
01:00:17,490 --> 01:00:18,030
was disgusting and looked like a pile of

1521
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:21,180
she hit she hated it too so we would try

1522
01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:23,500
to sneak off of the base to go down the

1523
01:00:26,940 --> 01:00:25,510
street to Wendy's or like go to the

1524
01:00:28,650 --> 01:00:26,950
place there was a place right up the

1525
01:00:30,750 --> 01:00:28,660
street called those los burritos and

1526
01:00:33,839 --> 01:00:30,760
like go get a burrito I think he was

1527
01:00:36,060 --> 01:00:33,849
still there it's still there yes it's

1528
01:00:37,500 --> 01:00:36,070
it's it's yeah it's right on Sunset and

1529
01:00:37,859 --> 01:00:37,510
we would have to do it without getting

1530
01:00:40,349 --> 01:00:37,869
caught

1531
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:40,359
I was one of the lucky ones cuz I didn't

1532
01:00:44,010 --> 01:00:41,890
grow up in the Sea Org like she did so I

1533
01:00:45,329 --> 01:00:44,020
had a car most CA members don't have

1534
01:00:47,099 --> 01:00:45,339
cars most young members don't have

1535
01:00:48,300 --> 01:00:47,109
driver's licenses most of them don't

1536
01:00:50,819 --> 01:00:48,310
have bank accounts or anything but

1537
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:50,829
anyway that's a separate thing so we so

1538
01:00:53,579 --> 01:00:52,450
we would have to sneak off and they have

1539
01:00:55,559 --> 01:00:53,589
cameras everywhere and they have

1540
01:00:58,829 --> 01:00:55,569
security guards roaming around on

1541
01:01:01,319 --> 01:00:58,839
bicycles constantly 24/7 oh yeah I and

1542
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:01,329
absolutions yeah so we would have to

1543
01:01:05,069 --> 01:01:03,369
like run to the parking structure and

1544
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:05,079
make sure that there were no security

1545
01:01:07,890 --> 01:01:06,250
guards and she would kind of keep

1546
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:07,900
watching we would have to like run and

1547
01:01:13,500 --> 01:01:10,810
go grab our food scarf it down and come

1548
01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:13,510
back and be on time because we only had

1549
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:16,599
a 30-minute window for lunch if if we

1550
01:01:20,339 --> 01:01:18,490
were lucky sometimes we sometimes we

1551
01:01:22,890 --> 01:01:20,349
didn't take a meal break at all because

1552
01:01:24,990 --> 01:01:22,900
I was still auditing someone you can't

1553
01:01:26,609 --> 01:01:25,000
just arbitrarily end the session in the

1554
01:01:28,559 --> 01:01:26,619
middle of the thing with the finish

1555
01:01:31,290 --> 01:01:28,569
whatever you're doing and so it was very

1556
01:01:33,450 --> 01:01:31,300
it was very very regimented and there

1557
01:01:35,069 --> 01:01:33,460
were pretty much no freedoms to kind of

1558
01:01:38,130 --> 01:01:35,079
do anything or whatever we want I think

1559
01:01:41,819 --> 01:01:38,140
in the four years that I was in the Sea

1560
01:01:45,450 --> 01:01:41,829
Org I probably took maybe five or six

1561
01:01:48,210 --> 01:01:45,460
days off total in that entire time Wow

1562
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:48,220
so yeah it's it's it's it was a it was a

1563
01:01:54,059 --> 01:01:50,130
pretty shitty time it was very shitty

1564
01:01:55,859 --> 01:01:54,069
okay so yeah I can only imagine four and

1565
01:01:58,170 --> 01:01:55,869
a half years of your life just sort of

1566
01:02:00,150 --> 01:01:58,180
gone at that point and you did mention

1567
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:00,160
that your whole family were members of

1568
01:02:06,550 --> 01:02:02,720
Scientology so

1569
01:02:08,890 --> 01:02:06,560
were they were you like reporting back

1570
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:08,900
to them like the state and condition you

1571
01:02:12,610 --> 01:02:10,730
were in while you were there at all no

1572
01:02:14,560 --> 01:02:12,620
you're not allowed to anything that

1573
01:02:16,180 --> 01:02:14,570
happens in anything that happens in the

1574
01:02:18,430 --> 01:02:16,190
Sea Org you're not allowed to talk about

1575
01:02:20,350 --> 01:02:18,440
outside of the sea or because when you

1576
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:20,360
have people who are inside Scientology

1577
01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:22,610
you can just be a Scientologist and be a

1578
01:02:26,500 --> 01:02:24,170
regular human like you know you can have

1579
01:02:29,350 --> 01:02:26,510
a job and live in your own house and do

1580
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:29,360
but you take Scientology courses and you

1581
01:02:33,460 --> 01:02:31,280
get Scientology auditing when you're a

1582
01:02:35,770 --> 01:02:33,470
CR member that's that's when you like

1583
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:35,780
jump onto the ship and like work for the

1584
01:02:39,730 --> 01:02:38,090
full full time it's a hub of guidance

1585
01:02:42,990 --> 01:02:39,740
center fully representative of the

1586
01:02:45,910 --> 01:02:43,000
Gateway to the top of the bridge and

1587
01:02:47,970 --> 01:02:45,920
each of the onboard counseling rooms is

1588
01:02:50,700 --> 01:02:47,980
the embodiment of technical perfection

1589
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:50,710
down to the last detail

1590
01:02:55,300 --> 01:02:53,450
while as for training it's the course

1591
01:02:57,550 --> 01:02:55,310
rooms on the main deck and a deck

1592
01:03:00,010 --> 01:02:57,560
configured to transport hundreds at a

1593
01:03:01,510 --> 01:03:00,020
time ever closer to total spiritual

1594
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:01,520
freedom

1595
01:03:06,850 --> 01:03:04,310
and since this ship is the threshold to

1596
01:03:08,740 --> 01:03:06,860
the upper levels of Scientology it's all

1597
01:03:12,490 --> 01:03:08,750
specifically geared for those on the

1598
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:12,500
ascent to the highest states in all the

1599
01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:14,570
free one stands at the forefront of a

1600
01:03:18,850 --> 01:03:16,430
growing worldwide movement towards

1601
01:03:21,130 --> 01:03:18,860
spiritual advancement transporting

1602
01:03:24,550 --> 01:03:21,140
Scientologists to new realms of freedom

1603
01:03:27,700 --> 01:03:24,560
every day but they made me sign so many

1604
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:27,710
NDA's and and confidentiality agreements

1605
01:03:30,910 --> 01:03:28,550
you're not allowed to talk about

1606
01:03:32,770 --> 01:03:30,920
anything I mean when I was I was

1607
01:03:34,300 --> 01:03:32,780
physically beaten when I was in the Sea

1608
01:03:34,750 --> 01:03:34,310
Org and I couldn't tell my parents about

1609
01:03:38,020 --> 01:03:34,760
it

1610
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:38,030
I've had lamps thrown up thrown at my

1611
01:03:43,300 --> 01:03:41,810
face I had this one older Sea Org member

1612
01:03:46,540 --> 01:03:43,310
who was like one of the most senior

1613
01:03:49,330 --> 01:03:46,550
people on that and on that entire base

1614
01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:49,340
she would come up behind me and smacked

1615
01:03:53,950 --> 01:03:51,830
me on the back of my head open like open

1616
01:03:56,020 --> 01:03:53,960
handed just be like why your statistics

1617
01:03:58,540 --> 01:03:56,030
down because statistics is a huge part

1618
01:04:02,140 --> 01:03:58,550
of it I mean she and just really

1619
01:04:03,940 --> 01:04:02,150
horrible physically and and verbally

1620
01:04:06,130 --> 01:04:03,950
abusive I've seen see our members get

1621
01:04:08,050 --> 01:04:06,140
into fights I saw them beat up an old

1622
01:04:08,770 --> 01:04:08,060
man because he refused to do an

1623
01:04:11,140 --> 01:04:08,780
all-nighter

1624
01:04:13,150 --> 01:04:11,150
one night which happens a lot ciara

1625
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:13,160
members stay up all night and do these

1626
01:04:16,570 --> 01:04:15,050
crazy things because they have to meet

1627
01:04:18,580 --> 01:04:16,580
their deadlines and they have to do it

1628
01:04:20,980 --> 01:04:18,590
because if their statistics are down

1629
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:20,990
from the previous week then it's all

1630
01:04:25,510 --> 01:04:22,730
over then they go get sent to ethics and

1631
01:04:28,240 --> 01:04:25,520
they're punished for it and this old guy

1632
01:04:30,730 --> 01:04:28,250
he was in the Sea Org since l ron

1633
01:04:32,740 --> 01:04:30,740
hubbard started the Sea Org in the 1960s

1634
01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:32,750
you know he's like a 70 year old or 75

1635
01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:34,730
year old man yeah and he was exhausted

1636
01:04:38,859 --> 01:04:36,050
and it was midnight and he wanted to go

1637
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:38,869
to bed and of course a younger much more

1638
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:40,730
strong searing member comes up and said

1639
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:43,010
don't you dare go to bed and then he

1640
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:44,210
tried to push him out of the way and

1641
01:04:47,380 --> 01:04:45,410
then he knocked him in the you know

1642
01:04:49,510 --> 01:04:47,390
knocked him in the eye and that was a

1643
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:49,520
regular that was a regular everyday

1644
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:51,530
occurrence when I was in the Sea Org and

1645
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:52,880
it was an ax was horrible

1646
01:04:57,010 --> 01:04:55,609
I saw people Hubbard Hubbard invented

1647
01:04:59,290 --> 01:04:57,020
this thing called throwing somebody

1648
01:05:02,170 --> 01:04:59,300
overboard so when he was on the when he

1649
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:02,180
was on the boat in the 1960s when an

1650
01:05:07,150 --> 01:05:05,210
auditor screwed up and did something

1651
01:05:08,770 --> 01:05:07,160
that was technically wrong he created

1652
01:05:10,870 --> 01:05:08,780
this over boarding ceremony where they

1653
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:10,880
would take the auditor and they would

1654
01:05:15,930 --> 01:05:12,770
have like a little ceremony on the side

1655
01:05:19,650 --> 01:05:15,940
deck of the ship and say you know I

1656
01:05:21,390 --> 01:05:19,660
I throw you and your and your mistakes

1657
01:05:23,220 --> 01:05:21,400
into the ocean deep and when you come

1658
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:23,230
out of the water may you arise a free

1659
01:05:25,710 --> 01:05:24,850
man and free from your mistakes or

1660
01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:25,720
something like that it was like this

1661
01:05:29,340 --> 01:05:27,580
weird thing that he used to do sand they

1662
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:29,350
would literally throw people over the

1663
01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:31,450
side and dump him into the water as like

1664
01:05:34,710 --> 01:05:32,920
a punishment for screwing up as an

1665
01:05:36,810 --> 01:05:34,720
auditor so then when I was in the sea or

1666
01:05:39,390 --> 01:05:36,820
I get the big blue bass that's not a

1667
01:05:41,550 --> 01:05:39,400
ship they didn't have an ocean so they

1668
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:41,560
would stand people up they would get all

1669
01:05:45,810 --> 01:05:43,330
of the auditors and all of the technical

1670
01:05:47,640 --> 01:05:45,820
staff in a group and the person would

1671
01:05:49,350 --> 01:05:47,650
who screwed up would stand in front of

1672
01:05:50,730 --> 01:05:49,360
everybody and say I screwed up as an

1673
01:05:52,770 --> 01:05:50,740
auditor I did this and this and this

1674
01:05:55,109 --> 01:05:52,780
wrong and then the ethics officer would

1675
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:55,119
spray them with a hose in their full

1676
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:57,850
uniform as like a punishment okay and

1677
01:06:01,859 --> 01:06:00,400
that was oh so demeaning and I felt so

1678
01:06:03,330 --> 01:06:01,869
bad for the poor woman because she's

1679
01:06:05,070 --> 01:06:03,340
like this fifty or six year old woman

1680
01:06:07,020 --> 01:06:05,080
she's been in the Sea Org forever and

1681
01:06:09,690 --> 01:06:07,030
she has to stand there and be punished

1682
01:06:12,090 --> 01:06:09,700
in front of all these people and it was

1683
01:06:13,350 --> 01:06:12,100
it was it wasn't until many years later

1684
01:06:15,090 --> 01:06:13,360
that I realized it wasn't just

1685
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:15,100
punishment for her it was because they

1686
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:16,690
wanted to just scare the out of us

1687
01:06:20,460 --> 01:06:18,970
it's not for them it was for us because

1688
01:06:22,380 --> 01:06:20,470
they were like you see you see what

1689
01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:22,390
happens if you up right and it's

1690
01:06:27,780 --> 01:06:24,730
it's again coming back to that idea that

1691
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:27,790
it's all based on control like what

1692
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:30,130
through fear you know there's like

1693
01:06:34,890 --> 01:06:32,260
there's it sounds to me like there's

1694
01:06:36,810 --> 01:06:34,900
very little reward to ever come out of

1695
01:06:39,210 --> 01:06:36,820
this quote-unquote religion it's all

1696
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:39,220
about the things you've done wrong and

1697
01:06:43,680 --> 01:06:42,010
that are in it you think you've you've

1698
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:43,690
achieved something they find something

1699
01:06:47,460 --> 01:06:45,970
else right you did wrong that's right

1700
01:06:50,190 --> 01:06:47,470
it's frustrating the hell out of me just

1701
01:06:52,410 --> 01:06:50,200
hearing all this man no no it's I mean

1702
01:06:53,940 --> 01:06:52,420
it makes me it makes me red in the face

1703
01:06:55,530 --> 01:06:53,950
when I think about it I mean it's it's

1704
01:06:56,940 --> 01:06:55,540
horrific the stuff that people had to

1705
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,950
suffer through this thing not just me

1706
01:07:00,510 --> 01:06:58,480
like I feel bad for the other people

1707
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:00,520
right and then you know you have come

1708
01:07:06,270 --> 01:07:03,130
complacent and I'm sure like there were

1709
01:07:08,730 --> 01:07:06,280
times that you had to turn someone in or

1710
01:07:10,140 --> 01:07:08,740
you know stuff like that yeah it's just

1711
01:07:12,690 --> 01:07:10,150
this thing going on in your psyche

1712
01:07:14,300 --> 01:07:12,700
constantly yeah and and like you said

1713
01:07:16,970 --> 01:07:14,310
before it's like that it's the it's the

1714
01:07:20,520 --> 01:07:16,980
snitchin culture and we were all

1715
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:20,530
complacent okay so snitchin culture

1716
01:07:26,460 --> 01:07:22,930
let's let's literally touch on that how

1717
01:07:26,820 --> 01:07:26,470
and why did you leave the Sea Org I know

1718
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:26,830
this

1719
01:07:32,820 --> 01:07:29,410
is probably attend yes yeah let's go

1720
01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:32,830
through no no no it's it's it's I can I

1721
01:07:36,690 --> 01:07:34,510
can definitely talk about it now and not

1722
01:07:40,710 --> 01:07:36,700
and not be freaked out about it or thank

1723
01:07:45,510 --> 01:07:40,720
God so yeah so for those of you don't

1724
01:07:47,010 --> 01:07:45,520
know I am gay and I hid the fact that

1725
01:07:49,980 --> 01:07:47,020
well I tried to hide it it's kind of

1726
01:07:52,140 --> 01:07:49,990
hard to hide but I tried to you know for

1727
01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:52,150
years when I was in time in Scientology

1728
01:07:57,960 --> 01:07:53,670
because Scientology's very homophobic

1729
01:08:02,280 --> 01:07:57,970
they do not allow anybody that's openly

1730
01:08:04,380 --> 01:08:02,290
gay to continue past clear basically on

1731
01:08:06,120 --> 01:08:04,390
the bridge to total freedom and they

1732
01:08:07,890 --> 01:08:06,130
think it's an aberration they think it's

1733
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:07,900
an abomination they think all kinds of

1734
01:08:11,670 --> 01:08:09,850
things about it so I was hiding this

1735
01:08:14,310 --> 01:08:11,680
fact for a very very long time and then

1736
01:08:17,550 --> 01:08:14,320
while I was in the Sea Org I developed a

1737
01:08:20,790 --> 01:08:17,560
crush on a on another searing member who

1738
01:08:22,890 --> 01:08:20,800
was also a man and we had a we had a

1739
01:08:24,570 --> 01:08:22,900
very emotional relationship we never

1740
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:24,580
really touched each other we never did

1741
01:08:28,520 --> 01:08:26,710
anything physically gay but there was a

1742
01:08:31,260 --> 01:08:28,530
lot of flirting and there was a lot of

1743
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:31,270
you know like secret secret note

1744
01:08:36,090 --> 01:08:33,010
writings and and just a very very

1745
01:08:37,400 --> 01:08:36,100
heavily emotional and it was amazing for

1746
01:08:40,710 --> 01:08:37,410
me because I had never actually

1747
01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:40,720
experienced a anything really that gay

1748
01:08:45,270 --> 01:08:43,390
before so I was very happy about it but

1749
01:08:47,430 --> 01:08:45,280
we both knew that we had to keep it a

1750
01:08:49,710 --> 01:08:47,440
secret and then eventually they found

1751
01:08:53,190 --> 01:08:49,720
out about it because of my mother my

1752
01:08:55,079 --> 01:08:53,200
mother snitched on me so yes so when

1753
01:08:57,930 --> 01:08:55,089
you're in the Sea Org you're not allowed

1754
01:09:00,660 --> 01:08:57,940
to have a cell phone so what did I do

1755
01:09:02,610 --> 01:09:00,670
I used to call this other boy I'm not

1756
01:09:07,250 --> 01:09:02,620
gonna say his name because he well I'm

1757
01:09:10,620 --> 01:09:07,260
not gonna say so he no no so he so I

1758
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:10,630
used my because luckily I came from a

1759
01:09:15,090 --> 01:09:13,570
very wealthy family and I was one of the

1760
01:09:17,070 --> 01:09:15,100
lucky seer members I didn't have to

1761
01:09:19,220 --> 01:09:17,080
worry about you know starving and I had

1762
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:19,230
a car bah-bah-bah but I also had a

1763
01:09:24,870 --> 01:09:21,730
prepaid phone card and this was back in

1764
01:09:27,240 --> 01:09:24,880
like 96 or 97 no I'm sorry I was like 98

1765
01:09:30,060 --> 01:09:27,250
and they had payphones inside of the

1766
01:09:32,490 --> 01:09:30,070
churches of Scientology so every couple

1767
01:09:34,440 --> 01:09:32,500
of days I would call the guy that I had

1768
01:09:37,260 --> 01:09:34,450
a crush on but I used my parents phone

1769
01:09:38,970 --> 01:09:37,270
card so one day my mom I guess she got

1770
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:38,980
the bill for the thing and she sent it

1771
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:40,690
to the ethics officer she sent the

1772
01:09:44,790 --> 01:09:42,970
phone bill to the ethics officer and was

1773
01:09:46,980 --> 01:09:44,800
like hey you should you should check in

1774
01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:46,990
the Joey and see like he's calling the

1775
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:48,610
same number for the last like five

1776
01:09:51,330 --> 01:09:50,650
months or six months because he he was

1777
01:09:53,480 --> 01:09:51,340
in Florida

1778
01:09:55,740 --> 01:09:53,490
at the time he was at the at the

1779
01:09:57,660 --> 01:09:55,750
Clearwater Church of Scientology so I

1780
01:09:59,190 --> 01:09:57,670
was calling Florida almost the exact

1781
01:10:01,790 --> 01:09:59,200
same time every single day because it

1782
01:10:04,110 --> 01:10:01,800
was during our dinner it was during my

1783
01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:04,120
lunch time and during his break time I

1784
01:10:07,980 --> 01:10:06,250
think is I think is what it was okay so

1785
01:10:10,500 --> 01:10:07,990
anyway so she snitched on me so then the

1786
01:10:12,390 --> 01:10:10,510
ethics officer came in and she was like

1787
01:10:14,940 --> 01:10:12,400
you're gonna get a security check and

1788
01:10:16,860 --> 01:10:14,950
then they put me in session they put me

1789
01:10:19,860 --> 01:10:16,870
on the e meter and then they had someone

1790
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:19,870
pounding at me for like hours being like

1791
01:10:24,060 --> 01:10:21,730
you know what is this thing like why you

1792
01:10:25,410 --> 01:10:24,070
calling blah blah why you you know

1793
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:25,420
making these phone calls so finally I

1794
01:10:31,110 --> 01:10:29,170
had to confess and then they did the

1795
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:31,120
same thing on Florida and then that's

1796
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:32,800
how I got in trouble so they found out

1797
01:10:40,290 --> 01:10:38,010
about the gay situation and they

1798
01:10:44,460 --> 01:10:40,300
continued to do security checks on me

1799
01:10:47,070 --> 01:10:44,470
asking me all kinds of very harsh and

1800
01:10:49,770 --> 01:10:47,080
very graphic questions like specifically

1801
01:10:51,540 --> 01:10:49,780
asking for you know the sexual stuff

1802
01:10:53,850 --> 01:10:51,550
like did you ever have anal sex with

1803
01:10:56,370 --> 01:10:53,860
such as name did you ever have oral sex

1804
01:10:58,080 --> 01:10:56,380
with such as name did you ever touch so

1805
01:11:00,120 --> 01:10:58,090
and so and so his name's penis did

1806
01:11:01,980 --> 01:11:00,130
so-and-so ever touch her but like I mean

1807
01:11:03,930 --> 01:11:01,990
like really and I kept telling him like

1808
01:11:05,790 --> 01:11:03,940
no no no we never touched each other we

1809
01:11:07,860 --> 01:11:05,800
never touch each other and they didn't

1810
01:11:10,730 --> 01:11:07,870
believe me so they kept going at it and

1811
01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:10,740
they kept like screaming at me and

1812
01:11:14,970 --> 01:11:12,880
trying to get me to confess and then

1813
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:14,980
finally after I don't know how long it

1814
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:16,450
was it was like two months of that on

1815
01:11:20,700 --> 01:11:18,490
like in every single day basis and

1816
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:20,710
although all the while they have

1817
01:11:27,330 --> 01:11:23,890
security guard watching me 24/7 and I

1818
01:11:30,390 --> 01:11:27,340
was put into a windowless room on the

1819
01:11:31,890 --> 01:11:30,400
7th floor of the main building and the

1820
01:11:34,410 --> 01:11:31,900
security guard would sleep in the room

1821
01:11:36,030 --> 01:11:34,420
with me and but he put his bed against

1822
01:11:39,060 --> 01:11:36,040
the door at night so that if I tried to

1823
01:11:40,590 --> 01:11:39,070
escape I would wake him up the only time

1824
01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:40,600
I was allowed to leave the room was to

1825
01:11:45,090 --> 01:11:42,460
go to the bathroom which I also had to

1826
01:11:46,890 --> 01:11:45,100
have an escort to go with me or to walk

1827
01:11:49,530 --> 01:11:46,900
across the street to get my security

1828
01:11:52,020 --> 01:11:49,540
checks so that lasted for about two

1829
01:11:54,060 --> 01:11:52,030
months and then eventually they were

1830
01:11:58,110 --> 01:11:54,070
like you are gay

1831
01:11:59,820 --> 01:11:58,120
you are not allowed to be the Sea Org

1832
01:12:01,410 --> 01:11:59,830
anymore we're kicking you out

1833
01:12:04,220 --> 01:12:01,420
and then they handed me a bill for forty

1834
01:12:07,650 --> 01:12:04,230
thousand dollars and then kicked me out

1835
01:12:09,630 --> 01:12:07,660
okay okay so they kick you out and then

1836
01:12:11,670 --> 01:12:09,640
I've heard this is what's called the

1837
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:11,680
freeloader dead right yes

1838
01:12:17,190 --> 01:12:13,930
exactly so when you're in the sea

1839
01:12:19,380 --> 01:12:17,200
organization you get all of your courses

1840
01:12:21,150 --> 01:12:19,390
your training and your auditing for free

1841
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:21,160
what they don't tell you is is that if

1842
01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:22,719
you ever decide to leave the Sea Org

1843
01:12:26,910 --> 01:12:24,790
they've been keeping track of all of the

1844
01:12:29,790 --> 01:12:26,920
things that you've done during your

1845
01:12:30,959 --> 01:12:29,800
stint in the sea in the Sea Org so even

1846
01:12:33,030 --> 01:12:30,969
though you take those courses for free

1847
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:33,040
they keep a track of everything and if

1848
01:12:35,850 --> 01:12:34,690
you ever do decide to leave then they

1849
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:35,860
hand you a bill and they're like oh by

1850
01:12:39,330 --> 01:12:37,120
the way you owe us money for all the

1851
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:39,340
stuff which of course I think legally is

1852
01:12:42,300 --> 01:12:41,050
complete because they can't act

1853
01:12:43,860 --> 01:12:42,310
it doesn't actually affect your credit

1854
01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:43,870
or anything like that it's just if you

1855
01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:46,840
want to ever continue in Scientology if

1856
01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:48,850
you want to be a member in good standing

1857
01:12:56,459 --> 01:12:51,130
you have to pay your free letter debts

1858
01:12:59,040 --> 01:12:56,469
so stupid me I paid it well actually my

1859
01:13:01,860 --> 01:12:59,050
dad paid for it because he made uh my

1860
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:01,870
dad basically was like you know I'm

1861
01:13:05,280 --> 01:13:03,489
really pissed off that you left the Sea

1862
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Org and I can't believe you like did all

1863
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these things so you're gonna come work

1864
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for me in the family business and I'm

1865
01:13:12,140 --> 01:13:09,850
gonna pay your freeloader debt but

1866
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you're gonna work it off no was he I

1867
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mean because he is a prominent member

1868
01:13:20,550 --> 01:13:17,739
and it has been for life obviously he

1869
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was he was disappointed but he was he

1870
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was the kind of father who would help

1871
01:13:27,600 --> 01:13:24,760
you out he was yeah and did he did he

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:27,610
know that this was all because you had

1873
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essentially been forced to come out yes

1874
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because they had the the seen some of

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the senior ethics officers or the senior

1876
01:13:42,570 --> 01:13:39,730
ethics people had pulled my parents in

1877
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and had a meeting with them on the side

1878
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without my knowing about it and told

1879
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them everything they were like so Joey

1880
01:13:51,060 --> 01:13:49,000
did this and Joey did that and we're

1881
01:13:52,830 --> 01:13:51,070
kicking him out and this is why and

1882
01:13:54,390 --> 01:13:52,840
we're just letting you know because they

1883
01:13:56,910 --> 01:13:54,400
had to make sure to keep them on board

1884
01:13:58,560 --> 01:13:56,920
because if they left that that would be

1885
01:14:01,020 --> 01:13:58,570
a huge meal ticket for them but they

1886
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:01,030
would have lost I see and they needed to

1887
01:14:04,830 --> 01:14:02,890
they needed to keep them happy you know

1888
01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:04,840
because most of the big donors in

1889
01:14:07,050 --> 01:14:07,650
Scientology can get away with a lot of

1890
01:14:11,460 --> 01:14:09,630
because they donate so much money and

1891
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:11,470
this was and this was one of the things

1892
01:14:17,670 --> 01:14:14,530
where they did not want to they don't

1893
01:14:19,950 --> 01:14:17,680
want to lose them as Scientologists yeah

1894
01:14:21,990 --> 01:14:19,960
so so my dad was like all right I'm

1895
01:14:24,060 --> 01:14:22,000
gonna fix this you're gonna come work

1896
01:14:26,670 --> 01:14:24,070
for me at the gallery and you're gonna

1897
01:14:28,920 --> 01:14:26,680
work your way out of it and and I'm and

1898
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:28,930
I'm just gonna give them the $40,000 and

1899
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:30,010
then we'll call it a day it was like

1900
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:34,710
okay I guess so so yeah so this is uh

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01:14:38,910 --> 01:14:37,120
you start working for your dad at the

1902
01:14:44,340 --> 01:14:38,920
gallery and then this is where your

1903
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:44,350
story really amps up men we're gonna

1904
01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:49,570
cover that in part two that is it for

1905
01:14:53,730 --> 01:14:51,370
part one of this two part series

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01:14:55,770 --> 01:14:53,740
breaking the billion-year contract of

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Scientology

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01:15:00,270 --> 01:14:57,880
I hope you'll join me next week to hear

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01:15:02,340 --> 01:15:00,280
all about how Joey testified in federal

1910
01:15:05,610 --> 01:15:02,350
court about what he experienced in a

1911
01:15:08,010 --> 01:15:05,620
church and the infamous see why he

1912
01:15:10,050 --> 01:15:08,020
finally decided to leave and what life

1913
01:15:12,500 --> 01:15:10,060
is like on the other side of deep

1914
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:12,510
programming from a brainwashing cult

1915
01:15:17,550 --> 01:15:15,130
we'll also talk about the church's new

1916
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,560
and mysterious leader answer many

1917
01:15:22,110 --> 01:15:19,840
listener questions and so much more

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01:15:24,930 --> 01:15:22,120
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